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  1. Belch

    Belch Well-Known Member

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    If you think Bernie could have won, you're sadly mistaken. He had his base, but it was just a youth vote that doesn't vote, but they sure do love them sum free socialist stuff.

    Hillary was the best of a bunch of idiots, and she lost despite trying to paint Trump to be a crazy wild man who couldn't wait to get his hands on the nuclear codes. Now we know differently, so 2020 is going to be a cake walk.

    Sorry, but that's just the way the little ball bounces.
     
  2. Daniel Light

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    It is cowardly to edit other people's posts in the way you just did.
     
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    No one ran. Her and Bernie were the only 2 options, while the R's had 16 options. And tRUMP rose to the cream of that crap, er crop.
     
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    No it isn't; and if you don't like it, do feel free to go jump in the lake of fire.
     
  5. Daniel Light

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    Yes, it is. Editing out portions of other people's posts is a cowardly act.
     
  6. Sallyally

    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    I couldn't understand why you were getting so testy- I realise now that you were referring to "what about" homosexuals and other misfits not suffering in silence.
    I thought that civil rights stuff was different from federal elections and I misunderstood you.
     
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    There seems to be a lot of "shoving stuff down american throats". Kinda kinky if you ask me.
     
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    Now that that's been cleared up, maybe you'd care to take a stab at the question.
     
  9. Sallyally

    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    Any uproar by " homosexuals and other misfits" was in pursuit of civil rights rather than federal election stuff.
    (As in black people being prevented from voting and LGBT military members having access to medical treatment during their transitions)
    Don't you agree?
     
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    Seeing Barney Frank was a powerful member of Congress for decades, I see little color for this pronouncement on its face; but even stipulating to it arguendo, how you get from there to any obligation of conservatives to "suffer in silence" I haven't the foggiest idea.
    The association is utterly preposterous. Suffrage for racial minorities was encoded into the Constitution in 1870, whereas the only constitutional prohibition against discrimination in admission to the military is the religious test clause. Furthermore, the federal government is implicitly obligated to exclude the mentally ill from the military, and thus hardly empowered to facilitate pseudo-medical procedures which can, in the main, be counted on to increase the likelihood of suicide, thus putting at risk every military unit of which such a misfit is a member.
     
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    You're probably quite right.
     
  12. Jimmy79

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    Why is it impossible that they cancel out? Do you ignore an "win" or "loss" after a certain amount of time has passed?
     
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    Guess that's about the best I can expect from a furriner. :wink:
     
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    Don't understand your second question. But, as to the first, there are three things: one is what I said: statistically that would be a huge statistical oddity. Second is that they don't. Bill Clinton's affair with Monica does not cancel out with Bush lying to justify invading a country that did not attack us. Nothing that Trump has done cancels out with anything negative any President before him might have done. Just examples. Third, the whole argument of "cancelling out' is weak and pointless. Every single President is responsible of every single instance of an action that has been negative to the country. What this blanket "both parties" argument does is not to censure both parties. It's to provide an excuse to both.
     
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    You make my point for me. Nothing Trump does cancels out what Obama did. And nothing Obama did cancels out anything Bush did. Neither party has done much to help Americans as a whole in a very long time. In fact, I can't think of a single positive thing the govt has done in 20 years.

    Neither party has done anything to help the middle class compete in this new global economy. Neither party has done anything to fix immigration. Neither party has done anything to address healthcare costs.

    What they have done is make the economy less stable. They have pushed to divide at every opportunity. They work every day to benefit themselves no matter who is helped or hurt.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    No.

    This is what I mean. I can point to many things Obama did wrong. I can point to many things Trump has done wrong. The only reason to combine the two is to attempt to excuse one of them.
     
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    No one is combining them but you. You are right, both sides of the aisle do wrong on a regular basis. The only way to not blame both is to keep score. Good luck keeping score on an opinionated subject.
     
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    When you use phrases like "both parties have done" (this or that bad thing) or "has failed to take" (this or that necessary action) you are combining and diluting responsibilities.

    This is how you dilute responsibilities.

    Exactly! It's difficult. A drag. Requires an effort. But it's the only way to keep it honest.

    Obama messed up in Khadafi's Lybia. Bush really stepped on it in Irak and Afghanistan, and with not a small dose of help from Clinton, obliterated the economy in 2007. Trump has made a mess of... well... everything he has touched.... Even if both parties have done bad things, the score is not even close.
     

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