I have a Ford C-Max Energi that is giving me 70.1 MPG, and a 2000 Toyota Tundra with 52,000 miles on it and a new paint job. Thinking about a Jaguar.
you misstate the efficiency of the c max, it has an MPGe rating of 95 on electric only power (miles per gallon of gas equivilent) and only 39 mpg city/hwy (gas/electric combo) and not one vehicle ever marketed, got anywhere near estimated mpg in the real world...
You'll contradict anything. Listen smart guy, I've owned it since it was new and now have 48,000 miles on it. You want ****ing details? Fine. On gasoline only I get about 42 MPG. It varies a lot for different people based on driving habits and terrain. I get 42 MPG. On electric mode I drive 19 miles for 55¢. That's one charge and most of my driving is to destinations within 8 miles or less so I drive a large percentage of time on electric. On electric only that is equivalent getting 112 MPG when driving with gasoline given today's gasoline prices. I misstated nothing. You're the problem. You just want to fight. That's why you come to the forum. Plug-in hybrids have an onboard calculator that tracks elec./gas usage and miles and calculates current combined MPG and long-term combined MPG. My long-term is 70.1 as calculated by the system and I have tracked it and calculated it to confirm it. It's accurate.
i used ford's own data... if you've an issue with that, take it up with ford engineers & the epa they came up with those numbers...
I don't need to take it up with Ford. I need to take it up with YOU. Car manufacturers have been "chastised" for inflating their fuel economy data, so now they commonly understate them a bit. But this doesn't matter if you can calculate it for yourself. I have. Today, in hybrid mode, driving 35 miles, I got 46.2 MPG. That's about 4 MPG higher than my usual results. And I gave you the data from my calculation which agreed with the onboard read-out. If you have a problem with anything I said in this thread, maybe there's a pill you can take to feel better.
ok, that 46.2 is reasonable and falls in line with data... first i'll start off by stating i'm using 2017 c-max energi data, it is the last of that model & has the longest range, better mpge & mpg of all previous models, & ford discontinued it after the '17 model year... its window sticker epa is 95 mpge (equivilent) electric only & 39 mpg city/hwy combined gas (ice) only... it has 7.6 kwh lithion battery giving it a 20 mile range on electric power, less on hwy speeds... to calculate the equivilent mileage, the 7.6kwh is equivilent to 0.21 gallons of gasoline in an ice (internal combustion engine), ergo 20 miles on full charge equates to 95 mpge... lets take it for a 40 mile journey, first 20 miles on electric power uses the equivilent of 0.21 gallons of gasoline... the next 20 miles we use the ice, it uses 0.51 gallons of gasoline based on the epa rating... so we travelled 40 miles and used the equivilent of 0.72 gallons of gas, which is 55.555 mpg overall combined electric & gas... this is absolute best case scenerio, unless coasting downhill part way... to be fair, unless you calculate each kwh of battery use as in above example, and not relying on the gas stations pump total because the tank never gets filled to exact capacities, each time will be different, then you're doing it inacurately, ergo 70.1 mpg combined is a pipe dream for that car
I'm not arguing with you any further. OBVIOUSLY you are clueless about these cars to the point where you now accept 46.2 MPG while driving HYBRID after yesterday saying "only 39 mpg city/hwy (gas/electric combo)". All this car does is operate in either HYBRID mode ("gas/electric combo") or fully ELECTRIC mode. Yesterday I got 46.2 MPG in HYBRID. And my current overall MPGe is 70.1. If I didn't have to drive 35 miles to town but instead drove daily to a job or other activity that was 8 miles away, my MPGe would be more like 200 to 400 because when it is driven only in electric mode, the onboard read-out says the MPG was "999.99"!!! I'm done with your bullheaded know-it-all bullshit. You probably tell your doctor what your diagnosis is! I see why you're a rightie extremist, although it never was a mystery.
Geeze Kode, you should be embarrassed. The reply you got was spot on. You think electricity has no energy cost equivalent? How does the battery get charged, the charger fairy?
If you want the Jaguar to be a weekend driver and a fun little toy then go for it but if you want that to be a daily driver, I would highly recommend against it. If you really want one I would say lease it and that way you don't have to sell it. They have exorbitant maintenance costs. I've known a lot of people that have those and the maintenance was bankrupting them. Just my input, take it or leave it.
Good thread. We have three vehicles. Because we live in the woods, 2 miles in on a dirt road, one is a 4 wd Toyota Tacoma OR Pick up, an awd Venza and a Kubota tractor with heated cab, chains, , 6 foot wide snow blower on the back and assorted blades and rakes to work on the road. It’s mud season now so they’re all a light brown in color. We have been driving Toyota’s for the 22 years we lived here because the nearest car dealership is Toyota and I can drop it off for service and play golf 1/2 mile away. I’m lazy....that way. I buy cars by convenience and tractors by necessity.
Have always been a Buick fan. They used to be more independent and do more of their own quality control I’ve read. They were second to none back then.
My first "new" car ... 1987 Suzuki Samurai JX. What a blast for $10,000! I'd pay $20,000 to get it back.
My son’s 2013 Nissan Sentra. It got him through high school and four years of college. Now he wants a Chevy Silverado “Texas Edition” pickup.
had one when i was in aruba, back before they had any hotel resorts that thing went any & everywhere nothin stopped it, not even the narrow, rocky, moutainous horse trails. years later i wanted one so bad, but they were deemed unsafe for american roads & suzuki took em off the american market, the few that remain are being held onto like gold bullion... they make the 'jimney' now, but its not the same thing, sadly...
I had the upscale "JX" version with bigger wheels, bigger seats, full carpeting, a tach, a clock, etc. I had it from 1987 to 1995 when I traded it in for a new Acura. Suzuki sued Consumer Reports and won. Consumer Reports falsely claimed it was unsafe; their rollover test was bogus.
I wanna get a 'beater' one of those and put a diesel motor from a VW rabbit (or pickup version) in it. Just for puttering around up in the hills.
I’d rethink that. Had a Suzuki sidekick for a few years....great off roader and , tough vehicle. But parts were terrible to come by which they were in several other Suzuki products. I’ll never buy another Suzuki brand product for that reason again.
Had one turn right in front of me while I was driving my early 70's diesel Mercedes. Tboned the car and the driver broke his leg on the shifter. The Suzuki couldn't move. I pulled my fender out, changed a tire, and drove home.
The reason I wouldn't buy one is the Jatco CVT transmission. The CVT used in the Nissan's are used in a lot of other cars. http://www.lemonlawcase.com/problem-vehicles/nissan-cvt-problems/ At least Nissan extended the warranty.
