Trump to declare National emergency for Wall

Trump is now being sued

Trump said today this was not an emergency he did not have to do this, he just wanted to speed it up.... lol, talk about foot in mouth

 

non sequitur

 

Lawyers around the country who dread the implications of trump's power grab applauded that line. And his defense lawyers groaned.

But I do not have a great deal of confidence in the conservative judges on the supreme court. They have shown, repeatedly, a willingness to turn a blind eye towards statements made by trump - to decide that they should base their decision upon the constitutionality of an executive action as if it were issued by some other president.

 

F - NO how obtuse can you people get? It's diametrically opposite of that! If there were a finite number of firearms and slingshots our founders intent was for the citizenry to have the majority of the firearms & the military to have some firearms and the remainder to the slingshots... (Nationalistic / 'civilly' speaking)

 

Neither myself nor NPR's chief legal analyst think much of your "power grab" hyperbole. While it's probably the Current Truth™ being propagated throughout the LW MSM right now the POTUS already possesses the authority to move money around. To what extent remains to be seen.

Yes, you wouldn't want the courts adjudicating cases based on the letter of the law, would you?

And we can't have the language in our laws mean anything, either.

Perhaps we should just be done with this whole "rule of law" charade and pocket the money - we're already wingin' it.

Of course, that would put millions of lawyers out of work so we know that ain't gonna happen...

 

You:
Excuse me... since when have our personal freedoms, liberties & natural rights hinged on the 'litmus test' of Death?

Me:
I don’t know about 1776 with the whole life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

 

Quite simply, when CT enacted a "registration" law on all AR-15's, subsequent to their Sandy Hook massacre.

 

Then you should not advocate for taking in every desperate family that shows up at the border, regardless of who you imagine is advocating that we do.

Cry Baby Don will have a tough time selling his fake "emergency!" claim. The number of Border Patrol arrests in fiscal year 2018 — a standard metric to measure illegal crossings — were below the yearly average over the previous decade.

- And, after 2 years of a Republican-run Congress refusing to give him the money for his big, beautiful wall that he insisted Mexico would pay for, he just blurted out, " “I could do the wall over a longer period of time. I didn’t need to do this. But I’d rather do it much faster.”

Emergency?

 

Yesterday’s Democrat Sponsored Spending Bill Supports Theory that Democrats in the Pay of Drug Cartels

 

Can anyone explain why this is a national emergency now and not 2 years ago when Trump came into office, 7 months ago when that big bad caravan arrived, or 2 months ago when Trump said he would declare an emergency to get his way because he knew his own party wouldn't give him the money he demanded?

 

"45 year low on illegal border crossings this year. Ice and Border Patrol Agents are doing a great job for our Country. MS-13 thugs being hit hard." - Donald Trump, 28 February 2018.

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/968850364383596545?lang=en

So, now it's a national emergency? Geez, there are some extremely gullible people in this country...

 

Right! Get the depth of the stupidity here. ... "We have no choice." .... "I didn’t need to do this."

What a dope!

 

SO we spend how much on National Defense which I include the Wall in, just take the funds from the defense budget each year.

 

Turner's agreeing with you.

 

That seems a bit fancy, especially since the right of self-defense behind the 2A was established long before our benighted Founders wrote the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Perhaps, we should go back to living in mud huts and throwing sticks and rocks at each other?

Things we so much more genteel then...

 

The Left's pretty OK with the mass rape of immigrant women making these illegal crossings.

 

Out of everyone on this thread your argument for this is the most logical... imo The get ours before they do.
I can see actual logic in that idea, just me personally I’m conservative so I just naturally wanna take the least risky option and I don’t think that’s declaring a National Emergency. If anyone’s confused about where I stand politically look through 1000+ posts

 

Here's a full list of the 31 active national emergencies under the National Emergencies Act, dating back to the Carter administration:

1. Blocking Iranian Government Property (Nov. 14, 1979)

2. Proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction (Nov. 14, 1994)

3. Prohibiting Transactions with Terrorists Who Threaten to Disrupt the Middle East Peace Process (January 23, 1995)

4. Prohibiting Certain Transactions with Respect to the Development of Iranian Petroleum Resources (March 15, 1995)


5. Blocking Assets and Prohibiting Transactions with Significant Narcotics Traffickers (October 21, 1995)

6. Regulations of the Anchorage and Movement of Vessels with Respect to Cuba (March 1, 1996)

7. Blocking Sudanese Government Property and Prohibiting Transactions with Sudan (November 3, 1997)

8. Blocking Property of Persons Who Threaten International Stabilization Efforts in the Western Balkans (June 26, 2001)

9. Continuation of Export Control Regulations (August 17, 2001)

10. Declaration of National Emergency by Reason of Certain Terrorist Attacks (September 14, 2001)

11. Blocking Property and Prohibiting Transactions with Persons who Commit, Threaten to Commit, or Support Terrorism (September 23, 2001)

12. Blocking Property of Persons Undermining Democratic Processes or Institutions in Zimbabwe (March 6, 2003)

13. Protecting the Development Fund for Iraq and Certain Other Property in Which Iraq has an Interest (May 22, 2003)

14. Blocking Property of Certain Persons and Prohibiting the Export of Certain Goods to Syria (May 11, 2004)

15. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Undermining Democratic Processes or Institutions in Belarus (June 16, 2006)

16. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (October 27, 2006)

17. Blocking Property of Persons Undermining the Sovereignty of Lebanon or Its Democratic Processes and Institutions (August 1, 2007)

18. Continuing Certain Restrictions with Respect to North Korea and North Korean Nationals (June 26, 200

19. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in Somalia (April 12, 2010)

20. Blocking Property and Prohibiting Certain Transactions Related to Libya (February 25, 2011)

21. Blocking Property of Transnational Criminal Organizations (July 25, 2011)

22. Blocking Property of Persons Threatening the Peace, Security, or Stability of Yemen (May 16, 2012)

23. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine (March 6, 2014)

24. Blocking Property of Certain Persons With Respect to South Sudan (April 3, 2014)

25. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in the Central African Republic (May 12, 2014)

26. Blocking Property and Suspending Entry of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Venezuela (March 9, 2015)

27. Blocking the Property of Certain Persons Engaging in Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities (April 1, 2015)

28. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Burundi (November 23, 2015)

29. Blocking the Property of Persons Involved in Serious Human Rights Abuse or Corruption (December 20, 2017)

30. Imposing Certain Sanctions in the Event of Foreign Interference in a United States Election (September 12, 201

31. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Nicaragua (November 27, 201


If you’ll notice though most all of these are blocking and prohibiting money/property to people/countries deemed to be dangerous nothing to do with funding projects. That’s where it’s unprecedented

 

I completely agree with you Turner, and I expressed my reservations about the declaration last night when we first found out about it. Like yourself, I'm very conservative about these things and the unilateral and arbitrary exercise of executive power always gives me the creeps, even when its legal and constitutional. I think it's good that we maintain a healthy skepticism and wariness here and beyond.

 

The reality is that he knows that his fantasy erection is of far greater value in retaining the devotion of his grovelers as long as it doesn't become a reality.

He just guaranteed that there will be years of litigation for which he can blame everyone else whilst his "big, beautiful wall!" remains a pipe dream juju.

 

Great idea.

Go to Congress and get their approval.

 

But when a President manufactures an imaginary crisis, with the help of the a rabid yellow media, there is no real national emergency.

And Trump stood up there in front of the world and lied openly and shamelessly the entire lenght of his announcement and subsequent press conference. He was a carnival barker playing at being a king.

There is no emergency, no invasion.

It is a shameful exercise in undermining the Constitution and constructing a monument to bigotry and fear.

 

Just quickly scanning the list, #13 provided over $1 billion as seed money for establishment of the Iraq development fund.

 

None was used to confiscate Congressionally-designated funds in abrogation of the Constitutionally-assigned responsibility.

Cry Baby Don cannot hide behind precedent on his fake claim of an emergency.

 

Pathetic talking point.

And trumps use of a national emergency declaration to get more money for a specific project than Congress is willing to give him is an unprecedented expansion of executive authority.