McCabe: There were 25th Amendment discussions at DOJ to remove Trump from office

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  1. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    The entire 25th hinges on unelected officials. Again it sounds like you want to amend the amendment
     
  2. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    Im a constitutional textualist, I go by what it says, not your interpretation. It doesn’t say health, it says unable. Feel free to amend it.
     
  3. Zorro

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    The entire point of a counterintelligence investigation is to give the Executive Branch the information they need to effectively respond to national security issues. You expressed great concern about the danger, but with the complete silence from Mueller, does that indicate a pressing national security problem or a lack of one?

    If we are in imminent danger, I would assume Mueller would have at least released preliminary findings so that our nation can protect itself.

    As for Mueller having "proven" himself, in the anthrax case he proved himself to be a mule-headed moron.
     
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    Really? And what if the investigation is all about the administration/campaign of the executive branch?

    As for the silence, why would a special counsel provide information before the investigation is complete? Why would we expect any investigative body (police/fbi/AG) share details of their investigations prior to their completion?
     
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    It's a counter-intelligence investigation, if they had solid evidence of a crime, rather than conducting the investigation under counterintelligence authority it would be conducted under criminal authority. What they have actually done, besides lying to FISC and illegally spying on Trump, is criminalize policy disputes.

    Let's review:

    We have heard endlessly about collusion label is obvious. Those peddling the “Putin hacked the election” story have always lacked credible evidence that Trump was complicit in the Kremlin’s “cyber-espionage.” They could not show a criminal conspiracy. Connections between denizens of Trump World and Putin’s circle are not crimes. Only a conspiracy — an agreement by two or more people to commit an actual criminal offense, such as hacking — would be a reasonable basis for prosecution or impeachment.

    And they aren't just lacking a little proof, but a great deal. The Russians started hacking operations in 2014, long before Trump entered the race. The FBI first warned the DNC about penetration of its servers in September 2015. By the time Trump won, the Bureau and U.S. intelligence agencies had been working hard to understand the nature and extent of Kremlin-directed hacking operations for two years. The investigation was so high-level, so intense, that shortly before the election, there were confrontational conversations between CIA director John Brennan and his Russian counterpart, FSB chief Alexander Bortnikov, and later between President Obama and Russian president Putin.

    No one has ever had any credible proof that Trump was a participant in Russia’s malfeasance.

    After Rat-Faced Rosenstein wrote the memo that correctly justified Comey's firing, Rosenstein then came under intense pressure to appoint a Special Counsel.
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2019...nvestigation-criminalization-policy-disputes/
    You expressed alam at potential harm. The entire purpose of a counter-intelligence investigation is to inform the President through the AG of national security risks. If there are immenant risks as you seem to fear, Mueller has a duty to inform the Executive Branch. His silence indicates to me, either that there is no such danger, or that he isn't performing the task for which he was assigned.
    Those are CRIMINAL investigations, they differ from COUNTERINTELLIGENCE INVESTIGATIONS.

    Further, the regulations governing special counsel appointments by the Justice Department state:
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/and...n-audience-of-one-but-it-isnt-president-trump
     
  6. jack4freedom

    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have seen and heard all of the crap from the Hannitized, Ditto Head, Prison Planet crowd regarding gross misconduct by the FBI. I just think they are all full of crap. In my opinion they are trying to deflect attention away from Trump and the sleazy pack of crooks he surrounded himself with by pointing the finger at law enforcement officials just like any crooks attempt to do. Despite their idiotic protests several are on their way to jail and others are avoiding the US for fear of being arrested.
     
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    The FBI has ZERO RIGHT or AUTHORITY in a 25th Amendment case.

    The 25th Amendment requires the President to be incapacitated.

    This is called a coup. It's good to see everything we knew confirmed directly from the mouths of the treasonous bastards that did it.
     
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    in the movie Valkyrie tom cruise tried to coup and failed, how do we lawfully stop them?

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0985699/
     
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    These guys are fascistic in mindset.

    WHEN THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT THINKS IT’S OKAY TO GO AFTER PEOPLE FOR “SPEAKING IN A DEROGATORY WAY ABOUT OUR INVESTIGATIVE EFFORTS.”

    Former acting FBI director Lying Jim McCabe said:
    https://www.lawfareblog.com/thoughts-andrew-mccabes-60-minutes-interview (emphasis added).

    Think or speak the wrong thing—and the government investigates you?

    This is the America the Left would bring about if they were able.
     
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    my brother in Trump, while i agree with you on this coup d'état i would not add such seasoning in my criticisms.

    the french may not take too kindly to it and they carry a heavy whip too, lets keep this to our secret meetings.
     
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    No need for a spin. McCabe is convicted by his own words.
     
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    I wouldn't know. I don't listen to any of them. I read the reports that show the actual emails and connections.
     
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    I have read them too. I just came to a different conclusion regarding the investigations into Russian meddling into the election. Evidence of unsavory ties between close associated of Trump and Russian criminals and spies is abundant. Personal texts between Strzok and his girlfriend saying Trump is a horse’s ass don’t change anything.
     
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    Yet, still nothing.
     
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    They are elected by the Senate....FBI agents aren't
     
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    The 25th amendment isn't a coup. Nobody could takeover the government with it. It's only for removing one incompetent or corrupt element of it.
     
  18. The Mello Guy

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    Rosenstein was “elected” by the senate
     
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    It would have in the way high level unelected officials at the FBI were plotting to try and use it.
     
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    Why does it exist?
     
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    true...was he had this time? either way the Acting FBI Director or Deputy, are not Cabinet officials authorized by the US Constituion under the 25th Amendment
     
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    Wilson, Tyler, Kennedy, when a President is physically incapacitated and cannot carry out the duties

    "Kennedy’s sudden passing accelerated an argument about a constitutional change that had been in the works in Congress in 1963.

    Technically, the Constitution never spelled out how a Vice President would become President if a President died, resigned or was unable to perform the office’s duty."
    https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/how-jfks-assassination-led-to-a-constitutional-amendment-2/
     
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    So what do we do if a president is mentally incapable of the job or owned by a hostile state?
     
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    And nobody said they were
     
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    Then why was he trying to get a wire in the WH claiming it was for the 25th?
     

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