Trump Jr. to young conservatives: Don't get indoctrinated by these loser teachers pushing socialism

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  1. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Dunno how to do it, and do not ever, my friend. What for, .. what I say is what I think. I'll leave backpedaling to politicians and they Democrat voters/
     
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    Anyone who wants to make sure most people know very little should support our very expensive obsolete education system. It has been failing American children for decades.

    DETROIT (WWJ) – According to a new report, 47 percent of Detroiters are ”functionally illiterate.” The alarming new statistics were released by the Detroit Regional Workforce Fund on Wednesday.

    WWJ Newsradio 950 spoke with the Fund’s Director, Karen Tyler-Ruiz, who explained exactly what this means.

    “Not able to fill out basic forms, for getting a job — those types of basic everyday (things). Reading a prescription; what’s on the bottle, how many you should take… just your basic everyday tasks,” she said.

    “I don’t really know how they get by, but they do. Are they getting by well? Well, that’s another question,” Tyler-Ruiz said.”
    CBS NEWS , Report: Nearly Half Of Detroiters Can’t Read, May 4, 2011.
    http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2011/05/04/report-nearly-half-of-detroiters-cant-read/
     
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    So, no education is better? The smarter somebody is, teh less they support the conservatives. That's the real goal here.
     
  4. TomFitz

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    Not sustainable?

    Sweden spends 11% of its GDP insuring everyone 100%.

    The United States spends nearly 20% of GDP insuring only about 80% of Americans, and makes the rest partially pay premiums, deductables and co pays.
     
  5. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They can spend more, their personal income tax is at 62% :applause:

    Are you still employed and if yes, how would you shell out this sort of dough to provide health insurance for everyone?
     
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    I didn’t write the report...but it does deal with the entire welfare state not just healthcare
     
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    Better education is better. Our failing public schools keep churning out illiterate "progressives" who end up living with their parents and demanding "free" stuff from the conservatives who have jobs. :razz:
     
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    Then conservatives would be happy with the current education system. It is a corrupt very expensive obsolete system that provides virtually "no education" to most students.

    “BALTIMORE (WBFF) -- A Project Baltimore investigation has found five Baltimore City high schools and one middle school do not have a single student proficient in the state tested subjects of math and English.” WBFF, 6 Baltimore schools, no students proficient in state tests, May 20, 2016.
    http://community.allhiphop.com/discussion/comment/9786119/
     
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    I mean... good, lets make people smarter, then we won't get any more trumps.
     
  10. TomFitz

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    None of this is true either. You need to quit getting your "news" from right wing trash and tabloid clickbait blogs.

    None of the articles I found about the Swedish pension program ever mentioned health care costs. Mainly because they aren't linked, as you keep falsely insisting.

    Instead, the Swedish pension system is three tiered, including 401K private accounts funded by mandatory contributions set by the governement. Swedes have literally hundreds of different funds on offer to keep their investments in, far more than the choices most Americans are offered in their 401k's.

    One of these days, you're going to stop taking the trash you read in right wing media at face value, and actually fact check the garbage you read before you parrot it here.

    Trumpsters don't tend to bother with that. If its confirms your prejudice, you parrot it. And, every day, you get fact checked.
     
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    Yes they privatized their SS. The govt couldn’t afford to run it anymore.
    I provided a link above about the massive wait times for healthcare.
     
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    There is no evidence to support that claim either.

    Anyone who thinks there are no wait times in the US, don't go to the doctor very often, and probably have never had to see a specialist or have a procedure.

    Waits of weeks for sepecialist appointments and surgery are weeks in the US.
     
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    No, contrary to your false claim, they did not. I have not commented on wait times, but the myth that everyone gets quick service in the US is just that, a myth.

    https://www.brookings.edu/research/...ons-from-swedens-individual-pension-accounts/
     
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    I didn’t say there were no wait times...just drastically less.
     
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    “To the extent that the left wants to point to an example of successful socialism, not just generous welfare states, the Nordic countries are actually a poor case to cite. Regardless of the perception, in reality the Nordic countries practice mostly free market economics paired with high taxes exchanged for generous government entitlement programs.

    First, it is worth noting that the Nordic counties were economic successes before they built their welfare states. Those productive economies, generating good incomes for their workers, allowed the governments to raise the tax revenue needed to pay for the social benefits. It was not the government benefits that created wealth, but wealth that allowed the luxury of such generous government programs.

    Second, as evidence of the lack of government interference in business affairs, there is the fact that none of these countries have minimum wage laws. Unions are reasonably powerful in many industries and negotiate contracts, but the government does nothing to ensure any particular outcome from those negotiations. Workers are paid what they are worth, not based on government’s perception of what is fair”

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/2018/07/08/sorry-bernie-bros-but-nordic-countries-are-not-socialist/#69a0cde674ad

    How do you like it? :hug:
     
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    The one I had when I was unemployed was about $100 a month and $10k deducible and it covered my wife and me. I cant find the paperwork or remember if it was per year or per occurance. I do know that it was extremely cheap for copays on drugs, including name brand, and that was not connected to the deductible.

    The only way we will get cheaper health care is to get insurance out of the every day marketplace. Making people use cash for routine care will also depress the urge to get the newest, most expensive, care there is, despite the fact that there are equally reliable procedures that are cheaper.
     
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    Yeah, Junior ought to have daddy run on it as a campaign theme
     
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    Wait times are all about location and what exactly you need. several years ago I bad a badly sprained ankle. I saw the doc the day after I injured it. got my MRI done later that day. saw the orthopedist 2 days later. surgery scheduled for about a month after I saw the orthopedist as we had to wait for the swelling to go down before he would operate.
     
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    Yes, and not for the reasons you claimed, either.

    In fact, the article you posted says none of the things you claimed that it does.
     
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    Like father, like son....privileged, raised by a class oriented, bigoted father. Why would we expect anything else?
     
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    Ahh, but since most people who live in a capitalist society are not themselves capitalist, yet know nothing of socialism, I dare say it's subjective as to who is ignorant of what.
     
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    The second paragraph is false. None of the Scandanavian countries were doing all that well, and their standards of living were not particularly high in the mid 1920's when the generous welfare state was first introduced.

    You don't need a minimum wage law, when a substantial amount of the population is unionized. Employers cannot prey on employees the way many do in the US.

    I have no idea what point you are trying to make, as this EDITORIAL does not refute anything I have said on the topic.
     
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    Point?

    Sweden is not a socialist state.
     
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    The article I posted, original talked about the massive wait lines.
    Te second article highlighted how the Sweden welfare state was reforming because it was unsustainable...and too Post a link to a story highlighting how that’s true and how they privatized their SS... which was one of my points
     

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