Military clashes between Pakistan and India!

Discussion in 'Asia' started by Mandelus, Feb 27, 2019.

  1. Mac-7

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    There is no magic pill that can fill in the blanks for you

    You have study harder than you’ve been doing to know what I know
     
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    I agree that we should wo4k with pakistan as long as they will allow us

    And they are not easy to get along with
     
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    I cant quite plac3 your accent but clearly English is a second language for you

    You libs are asleep at the wheel where china is concerned

    Its a miserable and unhappy country with delusions of workld domination

    And if it succeeds china will remember all the humilations imposed by the european powers back in the day
     
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    Can you give me some examples of Hindu suicide bombings ? I bet you will find none .
     
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    Interesting ... so you accuse that they do the same what the US does...
     
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    America does not want war with china

    But we dont want to be dominated by them either

    China is not a happy place thanks to the communist regime in power there

    And it will not be happy for the nations it dominates either
     
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    Show me the example of America treating another country the way china treats tibet
     
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    Really? How many examples do you want to have?

    Look in US realtions and history of the US inside Central America and Caribbean ... or even how Hawaii became part of the USA. And take Puerto Rico as example ...

    In core the same as what China did in Tibet... and do you have any other example aside Tibet for China here?
     
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    My link?

    You just made a declarative statement about pakistan

    Where is your link?
     
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    Its pretty pbvious if you open your eyes and study current events

    But if you have to have me to tutor you I dont have time to supply you with hours and hours of information
     
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    China s harvesting body parts of healthy political prisioners

    You would have done better to throw the conquored Amercan Indian tribes in my face than using Puertp Rico

    But apparently you are not as all-knowing about America as you claim to be

    Any time puerto rico wants to be free all they gave to is ask

    china however will never give up tibet
     
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    Yes, you are right that China is spreading in the world, but quietly and most of all very skillfully. They are spreading in Africa, now also in South America and also in the Pacific area.
    Most interesting here is that they very often replace the US or Europeans, from which the affected countries which enter now into joint ventures with China, feel very disappointed and exploited.
    China is very skilled here and it is mostly a bigger WIn.Win situation for these countries than they are used to ... even if China wins more in the end.

    The keyword here is raw materials! It is not just about oil, but also about ores, rare earths and other raw materials, which are very important in our modern world and therefore also in China and where China secures the access to them with these Joint Ventures in these African and Sout American countries!

    You can certainly see it as a threat in the long term and strategically, what has happened in silence for 20 years ... and I see it as a danger ... but can you blame the Chinese and blame them for what they are doing here? No ... because that would be totally hypocritical, because we were and are not different, often even worse in the procedure and are it still here and there today!
    And just because our politicians, governments and business leaders have overslept this development in the last 20 years, China is not evil! If you take a closer look at what they are doing, then they even do it well and sensibly ... in contrast to the billions of our burnt tax money, which ended up mostly in the bank account of the powerful dictators and regimes of the countries which we support(ed) and without any effect to imporve anything in these countries!
    As is so often the case, it is funny that the socialist and communist student China makes all this much better and more effective than the teachers of capitalism and imperialism and colonialism!

    Of course we have to react and do something ... but with sense and reason and not like the elephant in the china shop like Trump does!
     
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    Sure ... that China does not really have human rights, everyone knows and is everything, but not new and unknown. But human harvests in Tibet? Interesting! Do you have any reasonable sources besides the usual propaganda fake news / alternative truth media that can argue or even substantiate that?
    But if it is only because of the human rights itself, then take care of the many countries you support and where it is no different than in China!

    And as for Purte Rico ... your only colony with US citizens 2nd class:

    Puerto Rico is an unincorporated area of the United States. This means that Puerto Rico is neither a separate US state nor a member of another state. As part of the United States, Puerto Rico does not have its own foreign policy; All foreign affairs are carried out by the United States. Currency is the US dollar. Since 1917, all Puerto Ricans possess US citizenship per se as a consequence of the Jones Shafroth Decree. Since Puerto Rico is not a state or part of a state, Puerto Ricans do not have all the rights enshrined in the US Constitution, but only fundamental rights. So they are in the US presidential elections without their own voting rights, unless they have their residence in one of the 50 states of the United States. The US parties, however, Puerto Rico participate in the party's primary elections for the presidential election. In the House of Representatives of the Congress, Puerto Rico is represented by a delegate who has no voting rights!

    And of course I could come to you as well with the American Natives and what made the US so evil ... but as true as that is all, at some point it gets boring and makes it seem that only there are the USA in parts really been evil ...
     
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    Same with the other US territories. Guam, Virgin Is, etc.
     
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    Right and Correct ... You are right about the American Virgin Islands, but I did not mention Guam because of the comparatively small native population and because it is more of a major US military base. Anber de facto applies to both the same as Purto Rico. :)
     
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    With the captured Indian pilot there is proof a MiG was shot down. Do the Indians have proof an F-16 was shot down?
     
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    When an aircraft is upgraded with modern technology it is no longer technically a vintage aircraft. The first F-16s rolled off the line in 1973. The US upgraded it's F16s but did Pakistan get the same upgrades to their F16s?
     
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    Pakistani F 16s did get the MLU ( mid life upgrade ) .
     
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    Sure

    Among the godless euros everyone knows everything about everything

    But no one cares because euros like cheap cell phone made with slave labor and no wants to upset that applecart

    As for puerto rico

    in an era when overseas colonies were the rage in your country and mine America got drunk one night on cheap spanish wine and woke up the next moring with puerto rico

    And a few other outposts like the philippines

    Big mistake

    The PRs are free to leave any time they feel like it

    But unlike Tibet under the chinese, the PRs want to be ruled by America

    Imagine that

    As evil and horrible as we are puerto rico is a lost puppy we cant get rid of
     
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    Lol ... don't you have any arguments again, or why you change now from an acceptable discussion basis to your usual "Euros are all stupid and evil" mode?

    Godless Europeans is a ridiculous insult, because which god please? Anyway ... Cheap European Cell Phones? Which one?
    The only brand I can think of, which still exists today and is relevant, is NOKIA from Finland. But these are anyway capitalist locusts, whose shameful behavior has totally ruined their reputation in Europe and hardly anyone buys NOKIA today. Brands used here are Samsung, Huawei and of course Apple. You will hardly find anyone with another mobile phone from another brand in Europe.

    And as far as colonies of Germany are concerned, we only had very few and only very briefly until 1918, since then no more! So please address your accusation better to other Europeans ;-)

    Anyway ... is it fair that someone from Puerto Rico, Guam or the Virgin Islands should not vote for the US president in his home country, etc.?

    I have never denied that China has taken Tibet illegally and against the will of the Tibetans and that they are being repressed. But if I'm allowed to play the Devil's Lawyer ... that happened during the Cold War and I got alone here in this forum all to often at bad US actons and those of others, but bakced by the US told, that is was well reasond, becuase cold war! So... US is allowed to do evil and allow it at others, but China not?
     
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    I did not call euros stupid

    In fact I pandered to your delusion that the euros are smarter and better than anyone else

    But I must respecrfully question your superioty if you think puerto ricans cannot vote

    They can

    The fact is puerto rico can leave anytime it wants

    Tibet cant
     
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    Have I ever claimed that we are in general smarter and better as the US? No ... I for sure tell that we are here and there at some topics and issues in my opinon, but I never told that you are lesser smart or that you are a dumbass in the USA etc.!

    Yes, they can vote the US President, but they need to move away from Puerto Rico into one of the 50 states and register there as citizen of this state, isn't it? So why can't they vote the US President inside Puerto Rico, please? Explain and reson this please...

    And, no Tibet has no choice etc. ... but do you think Palestinians in the by Israel occupied areas of Westbank have any choice or better choice as those in Tibet?
    So if you blame China here, what is well reasoned to do ... please blame all other where this is also not given too and no matter if they crawl into the US butt like Israel does or not!
     
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    India presented the proof, but it was politically expedient for the NYT's to leave it out. This though is typical of the MSM and it's the reason I go elsewhere for news. The NYT's was always left leaning; that's common knowledge. But it was informative so I devoured everything they offered. It's one thing though for news sources to reflect a viewpoint - I mean that's to be expected, but it's another thing to slant news intentionally and to manipulate others by leaving out what you don't want them to know. This is brainwashing.

    When the NYT's stopped being informative and became a government mouthpiece, I turned to non MSM news sources. RT and Sputnik was a good choice - and this is why I know so much about Russia.
     

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