What is good for the goose... It isn't Israel's goal to be fair to the Palestinian arabs. Their goal was to build a nation for the jews, just like the United Arab Emirate is for arabs, Saudi Arabia is for saudi arabs, Jordan is for the Hashemites, Egypt is for the egyptians... Those countries didn't have any problem abusing and displacing their jewish population for centuries. Now the palestinians still have a possibility of creating a country of their own with what they have left, but if the don't then their neighbors will take it away from them as land is too precious to go to waste and not be used. Have you ever looked up what immigration restrictions are in place for most country on earth? You'd be surprised to learn that plenty of them, even first world countries, have racial/ethnic restrictions in place. At best you may get a permanent residency but you'll never get nationality/citizenship in them. This is the world we live in, not some idealistic version of reality. Each and every countries gets to decide who's in or out.
Small info .. Abu Adolf Mazen ... The Palesh-tinian leader, The Only person on planet Earth that recieved his university Diploma .. while his final work title was Holocaust denial !
There have been innumerable forgeries and distortions of the Wannsee Conference Minutes but a copy of the original that I read, in German, in 1974, is consistent with with the figure of 4.5 million Jews under German control. As you know, estimates for the number of Jews who died in the camps range from 250,000 to 10 million but that is not the point.. My understanding of this thread's premise is that the European, WW2 era holocaust is disproportionately hyped in our schools & via MSM at the expense of other equal or greater mass killings. In other words, all lives are equal and just because Jews were among the many persecuted groups doesn't make the European, WW2 holocaust somehow more profound than other mass killings. Finally I'm afraid you're confusing objectivity with "denial".
there are no actual estimates that less than 3 million Jews died in the camps, 10 million? only an idiot would say that many as we know far fewer were actually deported to the camps. around 3 million Jews died in the death camps. as to the Wansee Conference numbers being a forgery, prove it. the one that we all know and read, says 11 million Jews in Europe. now, here's my question: if the Wannsee Conference clearly stated that deportation to the East is simply a temporary solution, what then was the final true solution for the Jews? if extermination was not the goal, why did they state: Under proper guidance, in the course of the final solution the Jews are to be allocated for appropriate labor in the East. Able-bodied Jews, separated according to sex, will be taken in large work columns to these areas for work on roads, in the course of which action doubtless a large portion will be eliminated by natural causes. The possible final remnant will, since it will undoubtedly consist of the most resistant portion, have to be treated accordingly, because it is the product of natural selection and would, if released, act as a the seed of a new Jewish revival (see the experience of history.)
Re: Wrong again (1), (2) Why do you just make stuff up & hope that somebody might believe it Re: The following figure of 4.5 Million Jews under German control is supported by Yehuda Bauer(3) Re: Because Germany's Zionists also preferred for Jews to live separately from non Jews, the joint solution worked out by the German Zionist Federation and Germany's National Socialists was the Haavara Agreement by which German Jews would ultimately be settled in Palestine. That German Jews prosper in Palestine was the real "Final Solution" as envisioned by the German Zionists & Germany's National Socialists (Nazis). Additionally, there is a $100,000 Reward for anyone who can find a tiny fraction of the "mass graves" alleged to be at Treblinka, etc. "THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX" http://www.nafcash.com/ THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX CHALLENGE $100,000.00 REWARDFor proving - just 1 / 1,000 of 1% - of the criminally fraudulent buried remains allegations" CONTINUED (1) "NY rabbi: ‘Not even 1 million’ Jews killed in Holocaust" https://www.timesofisrael.com/ny-rabbi-not-even-1-million-jews-killed-in-holocaust/ (2) "International Red Cross Report Confirms the Holocaust of Six Million Jews is a Hoax" RED CROSS EXPOSES “JEWISH” HOLOCAUST HOAX: INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS (IRC) DOCUMENT CONFIRMS 271 THOUSAND NOT 6 MILLION DIED IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS http://www.truthlibrary.info/articl...firm-6-million-killed-in-holocaust-is-a-hoax/ (3) "The Wannsee Conference: Another Lie Crushed" http://barnesreview.org/the-wannsee-conference-another-lie-crushed/ EXCERPT "That the Wannsee Conference never discussed killing Jews in any way, has actually been confirmed in public by Yehuda Bauer, professor of Holocaust Studies at the Avraham Harman Institute of Contemporary Jewry at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. The actual minutes of the Wannsee Conference can be read in their entirety—in the original German here, In reality, the Wannsee meeting and its minutes do not contain a master plan to kill Jews; – Nowhere in the meeting’s minutes is genocide discussed, planned, proposed, or even suggested; – The Wannsee meeting never discussed gas chambers, shootings, or any of the fantasies propagated by the exterminationists; – The Wannsee Minutes reported that there were only 4.5 million Jews under German control (yet 4.3 million Jewish compensation claims have been lodged against the postwar German government); – The Wannsee meeting was a planning meeting on how Europe’s Jews should be deported, via transit camps, to the East; with able-bodied Jews being forced to build roads and other labor intensive tasks in those regions; – The Wannsee Conference also made allowance for specific exceptions to Jewish evacuation, such as Jewish German World War I veterans; ALL Jews over the age of 65; and ALL Jews working in industries vital to the German war effort, to be released from the threat of evacuation and be allowed to stay in Germany. There is therefore, no justification for the allegation that the Wannsee Conference was a ‘master plan for mass murder’ and everyone who claims this to be the case, from Netanyahu down, is simply lying."CONTINUED
sorry, Wannsee Conference says 11 million Jews in Europe. In the 1978 official bulletin, entitled "False Propaganda", the ICRC denounced Holocaust denial and confirmed that the agency "Never published—or even compiled—statistics of this kind which are being falsely attributed to it" and stated that its mission was "to help war victims, not to count them",[84][85][86]and questioned how they would have even been able to obtain such statistics had they wanted to, given that they were "only able to enter only a few concentration camps...in the final days of the war".[84][86] The agency states that the figures used are "the number of deaths recorded by the International Tracing Service on the basis of documents found when the camps were closed",[84][86] and accordingly bear no relation to the total death tolls, since the Nazis destroyed much documentation, and that many deaths occurred in camps where prisoners were generally not registered.[84][86] The ICRC considers this misrepresentation as "propaganda",[84][86] and because these claims regarding the ICRC were used for the defense of Ernst Zündel at his trial in 1985, critics state that despite the agency's attempts to demonstrate the truth, Holocaust deniers have continued to rely on ICRC based disinformation.[83] Archives of the International Tracing Service (located in Bad Arolsen) responding to such misrepresentation can be found here.[87] In 1979, the ICRC stated a second time that they have "never tried to compile statistics on the victims of the war",[88] nor "certified the accuracy of the statistics produced by a third party",[88] and state that the authors of such material have "falsified" both claims that the document originates from the ICRC and refers exclusively to Jews.[88] As well as in personal correspondence, the ICRC has also addressed this misrepresentation by several other means. In 1975, the ICRC wrote to the Board of Deputies of British Jews in London regarding Harwood's citations, stating: The figures cited by the author of the booklet are based upon statistics falsely attributed to us, evidently for the purpose of giving them credibility, despite the fact that we never publish information of this kind. lolol!!! totally delusional
A controversial ultra-Orthodox rabbi based in New York has said that fewer that one million Jews were killed in the Holocaust, claiming most of those counted among the usually cited figure of six million were not Jewish according to rabbinical law. In a video posted online, Rabbi Yosef Mizrachi can be seen saying that high assimilation rates in pre-war Europe and broad Nazi definitions have exaggerated the numbers of Jews recorded as killed by the Nazis during the Holocaust. At least five million of the six million were “total goyim,” The truth, I am telling you, is that not even one million Jews were murdered,” Mizrachi said, trashing accepted historical accounts. “A lot of non-Jews were meshed into the count, but in truth, how many Jews really were killed?” In the video, one of thousands on his YouTube page — which has amassed over a million views — Mizrachi says it is “very simple” to explain his estimates for the actual number of Jewish victims in the Holocaust. “If you look at the percent of assimilation that there was in Europe, which already reached 80 percent, it’s reasonable to assume that 80 percent of the 6 million were not-Jews,” Mizrachi said. so as you can see, he's not questioning the 6 million number, or the gas chambers, or the death squads. he's claiming most of the 6 million or so Jews, were not really Jews according to Jewish law. he's saying most of the 6 million were actually Gentiles, masquerading as Jews.
As I remember, the Wannsee protocol mentioned 11 million Jews falling under Nazi reign, if they manage to conquer Soviet Union. Grau, why you're trying to downplay Nazi crimes?
You keep claiming that the Wannsee Conference minutes state "11 Million Jews in Europe", however, I was able to cite a credible source that supports the fact that only 4.5 million Jews were under German control. That's different than "...in Europe" as Germany did not occupy all of Europe. Meanwhile, the current German government has paid out on 4.3 million Jewish claims as of years ago. Do the math. I'm still waiting for you to produce any credible photo, drawing, or blueprint of a homicidal gas chamber since not one has been found.
Actually, I'm trying to be objective in the face of obsessive & grisly holocaust cult dogma and would prefer to stick closer to the thread's premise rather than quibble about cold, meaningless & inflated numbers. My understanding of this thread's premise is that the European, WW2 era holocaust is disproportionately hyped in our schools & via MSM at the expense of other equal or greater mass killings. In other words, all lives are equal and just because Jews were among the many persecuted groups doesn't make the European, WW2 holocaust somehow more profound than other mass killings. My overall contention is that no race, nationality, ethnic group etc has a monopoly on either Good or Evil.
Those small enclosures are for defumigation chambers. I was talking more specifically of a photo of the mythical homicidal gas chambers that allegedly held hundreds at a time. I could make a drawing go a homicidal gas chamber on old paper & pass it off as original.
As I know you live in the US. Most non-Jewish Americans don't care about the Holocaust. But here in Europe, nearly all of our ancestors suffered from Nazi terror, if they were Jewish or not. The Holocaust is an example for local failure of civilization. It shows us the deep aggression and hatred of mankind on itself. In fact it could happen everywhere. It has, at the core, nothing to do with Jews.
nothing objective about calling all evidence "fake", when it fails to conform to your bigoted preconceived notions of truth
I know and agree that the holocaust is a tragic example of man's capacity for cruelty but it is just one example of many. Not a day passes when we don't read something related to this one tragedy and the result of its many exposed frauds(1), politicization by Netanyahu etc & commercialization is "Holocaust Fatigue". Unfortunately, the holocaust has been so widely & crassly exploited in so many ways that the lessons it is supposed to teach have been lost on those who exploit it most......the Israelis: “Nearly half of Israeli Jews believe in ethnic cleansing, survey finds” http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/almost-half-of-israeli-jews-want-ethnic-cleansing-palestinians-wake-up-call-survey-finds-a6919271.html EXCERPT “Almost half of Jewish Israelis believe Arabs should be "expelled or transferred" from Israel, a survey has found." CONTINUED "Israel approves controversial Jewish nationality law" https://www.irishtimes.com/news/wor...ontroversial-jewish-nationality-law-1.3570017 EXCERPTS "The Bill, pushed through by the right-wing and religious coalition, definesIsrael as the nation-state of the Jewish people. The measure sets “the development of Jewish settlements nationwide as a national priority” and downgrades the status of Arabic from an official language to one with “special status”. “The result of this legislation will be to perpetuate the inferior status of the Arabs in Israel.”CONTINUED (1) "Seventeen Charged With Holocaust Fraud" https://www.thedailybeast.com/seventeen-charged-with-holocaust-fraud
How is that possible when there were only 9.5 million in all of Europe as of 1939 according to DellaPergola's estimates "The continuing decline of Europe’s Jewish population" http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/02/09/europes-jewish-population/ EXCERPT "In 1939, there were 16.6 million Jews worldwide, and a majority of them – 9.5 million, or 57% – lived in Europe, according to DellaPergola’s estimates."CONTINUED Of those 9.5 million, only 4.5 million were under German control: "The Wannsee Conference: Another Lie Crushed" http://barnesreview.org/the-wannsee-conference-another-lie-crushed/ EXCERPT "The actual minutes of the Wannsee Conference can be read in their entirety—in the original German here, In reality, the Wannsee meeting and its minutes do not contain a master plan to kill Jews; – Nowhere in the meeting’s minutes is genocide discussed, planned, proposed, or even suggested; – The Wannsee meeting never discussed gas chambers, shootings, or any of the fantasies propagated by the exterminationists; – The Wannsee Minutes reported that there were only 4.5 million Jews under German control (yet 4.3 million Jewish compensation claims have been lodged against the postwar German government)"CONTINUED Meanwhile, Genrikh Yagoda is responsible for the deaths of over 10 million and very few even know his name. My contention and I believe the point of this thread is that the schools & MSM should devote more time in educating the public about the many other mass killings that have plagued mankind if the goal is really to prevent their recurrence. "Why is Genrikh Yagoda, the genocidal murderer who murdered double the number of people than are alleged against Hitler, completely unknown?" https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Genrik...are-alleged-against-Hitler-completely-unknown
That's true. The Holocaust is an important part of pro-Zionist propaganda. But you can't fight that by denying the HC. It happened exactly as historians tell us. And Zionists can take advantage of it, because most of the victims were Jews. Your motives are good, but you rely on anti-Semitic liars. This will never work.
the Holocaust happened. its a fact. no amount of denial from ignorant bigots will ever change the truth, especially as they do a terrible job trying to argue their silly ideas. even Adolf Eichmann admitted to the millions of Jews killed by the Nazis, in an interview he gave to a Neo-Nazi reporter years before he was captured, in Argentina.
