What's your opinion on a pardon for Manafort?

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  1. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    This absolutely is a partisan political issue.
     
  2. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Whomever Manafort owes for any debt can't collect when he is in prison. Other than legally taking property from his family and selling it off.
     
  3. jack4freedom

    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is not what I wrote champ. Read it. I have no problem with Manafort or other people convicted of tax evasion or bank fraud not being sent to prison for decades. However if Manafort gets cut loose in a year ow two, the rest of the tax cheats and bank fraudsters in federal prison should get cut loose too.
     
  4. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    If, and it's a big if, that Manafort gets some sort of pardon or commuting of his sentence, it won't have anything to do with the crimes committed. It will be because of all the people who commit those crimes and are NOT prosecuted, he was selected only as part of a political witchhunt.

    If the DOJ were prosecuting everyone, I would be happy to let him spend the rest of his days in prison, but since it's only a selected few that are being picked out for political reasons, justice is being wildly uneven.

    You just seem to want to let criminals out for...no particular reason.
     
  5. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    I think he has been pretty much ruined in this whole process just as Flynn and Stone and others and now Nadler wants to force 81 people who have ALREADY faced such legal expenses to do it all over again.
     
  6. jack4freedom

    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That’s a crock. Manafort’s high profile political ties definitely shined a light on him and when the feds looked into his sleazy dealings they found a trail of breadcrumbs leading to several felony counts. If you or I were caught getting millions wired from overseas accounts to buy mink underwear, lizard skin jackets and multiple huge landscaping projects and neglected to report it as income, we’d be in federal prison too. There are 1000s of inmates in there now for a hell of a lot less than what Manafort is there for. The government seized millions in assets from Manafort already, so in my opinion he should not have to spend more than a year or two in prison. However if he gets cut loose early by some political trickery, I think the rest of the tax cheats and bank fraudsters should be cut loose too. You seem to want to let criminals go only if they are buddies of Trump.
     
  7. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yup - Manafort is a crook - who was prosecuted by a crook - in a system that is full of crooks.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Democrats will drive people into the poor house then allege they have welfare to save them.
     
  9. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    This whole idea about using the congressional investigations to gain some political retribution against your political opponents leaves a grossly intolerable taste in the mouth of reasonable people.
     
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    Ok


    Did they have the same amount of information previously.
    First, the absolute fact is that the mueller investigation originated within the trump justice department... with congress controlled by the gop. Also, it is indisputably true that there has been lots of smoke that was the proximate reason the investigation started. Once an investigation like this starts, lots of stuff gets pulled into it... as woild be the case if one were stopped for a broken tail light.... you cannot argue that the empty beer can in your car are irrelevant because you were stopped for a broken tail light

    It is like clintons whitewater investigation... all sorts of stuff came up that was unrelated to what prompted the initial investigation.... stuff, which as i recall, republicans were eager to persue despite the lack of relevance to the initial impetus to the investigation

    Other prosecutors will come after manafort at that point. What ever trumpndoes, manafort will not be free of this for a long time
     
  11. WillReadmore

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    So far, I agree that's the most likely scenario.

    I doubt that by the time Trump leaves office there will still be investigations of Trump where Manafort figures in. So, a pardon wouldn't be bad for Trump.
     
  12. WillReadmore

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    If he's not in prison, I suspect he does have ways of repaying the oligarchs.

    He has a long, long ways to go to being a "changed man".

    He has plenty of friends from his activities with the Rebuilding America Now Republican super PAC - which made large payments to Manafort from the donations Republicans sent in.

    Political operative Laurance Gay, the super PAC’s director, was brought into the Trump orbit by Manafort and Trump inaugural committee chairman Tom Barrack. Gay got paid $35K/month - separate from being paid $42K in one quarter for travel expenses - while the super PAC did nothing but post stuff like "do you think Hillary should be in jail" on Facebook, etc. They did NO ground operations that would require ANY travel.

    These guys know how to tap idiot Republicans! They had people making million dollar donations!
     
  13. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    You may have heard that Russia attacked out democracy during the last presidential election.

    That resulted in naming a special prosecutor to investigate.

    This administration chose Mueller to investigate that.

    Manafort was campaign chairman for Trump, worked as an unregistered foreign agent, did business with oligarchs (who are still owed at least $10M), etc., etc.

    You should read a little wider - I don't know how you could have missed that.
     
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  14. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If ............... IF you guys ever tracked your own candidates and those holding elective offices, .................IF you did that ..............you would know the wrongs they do all the time.
     
  15. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Mueller has tried to verify that. So far he keeps jailing people for fraud or income tax law violations.

    When will he get down to brass tacks?
     
  16. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Remember when GW Bush kept killing Al Qaeda and what the Democrats kept telling us?

    Nope, you missed Bin Laden. We said, Bush got the man who did the 911 plans. They said, does not matter you did not kill Bin Laden. We said Sheikh Khalid gave us vital information. They said does not matter to us, he did not kill Bin Laden.

    Obama kills Bin Laden used data supplied by Sheikh Khalid and they said, does not matter, Bush did not kill Bin LAden. Today Bin Laden's son is the leader.

    Sorry Obama did not kill his kid.

    Anyway, they are missing Trump by a mile bragging they got some fringe players.

    Perhaps they assumed Trump would file the tax returns of Manafort or had gone to Ukraine to oversee Manafort working for them.
     
  17. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    If that's what you've got out of my posts, than I doubt it's possible to explain it to you any further.
     
  18. Bluesguy

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    And what has Mueller prosecuted for the "central Russia issue", why is Mueller investigating what the FBI should be investigating as a normal counterintelligence investigation? Manafort's legal problem has nothing to do with Muellers mandate or the "central Russia issue" or the Trump campaign for which he was hired for two months to head up the convention, which Trump had already won, delegate management which he has done at several conventions and had a great reputation for that specific job.
     
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    He's broke by all accounts, has no way to earn money and going off to prison, stop being obtuse.
     
  20. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    So Trump and the GOP is behind this? If you honestly think that you've not really been paying attention to the past two years.

    This wasn't about smoke, this was about Trump. That's all this has ever been about. If Trump had not been elected, Manafort would have been left untouched.
     
  21. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Having American citizens aiding a foreign nation in attacking our democracy is NOT A PARTISAN ISSUE.

    Let's remember that Manafort is guilty of conspiring against America.

    And, we will hear more of this problem when Mueller (a Republicans chosen by a Republican administration) gets to the bottom of this issue.
     
  22. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    I just pointed out one way he can get money.

    Please read my whole posts before you make charges.
     
  23. jack4freedom

    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I get nothing out of your posts nor does anyone else. They’re mainly pure, non responsive drivel. Get some new material.
     
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    When he is done investigating, obviously.

    That's been the plan from the outset, right?
     
  25. jack4freedom

    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If anyone had reported that Manafort had been slushing millions into the country via wire transfer and not reporting it as income he would have been arrested and charged with tax evasion. So would anyone else stupid enough to do so and leave a paper trail as wide as I-80. Your constant whining about unfair picking on Trump and his sleazy band of cohorts is pure tripe. Nobody buys any of that crap except Hannitized Ditto Heads.
     
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