AOC is socialist. Is that bad?

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    Obviously products are getting better and better thanks to glorious Republican capitalism or we'd be going back to the Stone Age rather the working on 5G, self-driving car, etc . 1+1=2
     
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    I understand your judgmentalism, but reality is forcing more & more people out of work, and the cause is automation. Over time, we'll be witnessing higher & longer unemployment simply because new businesses are becoming more automated & need fewer workers. We need to anticipate this trend and prepare for offering these unemployed and UNEMPLOYABLE workers a living wage, housing, healthcare & education as a basic human right--not because we're encouraging laziness, but because we're honest about the reality of the situation & must act to deal with it.
     
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    Not at all. China had 1.4 billion dirt farmers, now they have a few billionaires leading a billion dirt farmers into the middle class. Huge Huge inequality is required and a blessing. You have learned this 26 times. Just because your Marxist teach you to parrot that inequality is bad does not make it true!
     
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    wrong of course. 97% are still working! Notice the way a conseravtive is made to feel like a kindergarten teacher?
     
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    total insanity. farm tractor and electricity put 99% our of work but we still have 97% employment 1+1=2
     
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    anti business libs wont let Trump build his wall or implement capitalism so what do you expect?
     
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    Europe tried it and they live at 50% of our GDP. Have you heard of Europe? Even Krugman says they their economies have Eurosclerosis.
     
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    absurd, the nanny state is not capitalism. Socialism is the problem, not capitalism. Do you understand?
     
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    There are many differences between the situation in China & the U.S. Until recently, the communist government in China refused to allow any capitalism to exist there. All the changes for the better there are recent. In the U.S., we're still using the same economic system we've used for over two centuries, and that system is the same one that led us to the sad state we're now experiencing, with a small number of ultra-wealthy families owning & controlling EVERYTHING, and the vast majority of Americans feeling more & more left out. I know you approve of this disparity & support the system responsible for it. But I and a growing portion of Americans don't. We want to benefit from that increasing wealth in America along with those already rich, because it's our labor that made that wealth possible. I personally want more socialism incorporated into our capitalist system now, to avoid having our present situation angering so many Americans that violence becomes the only response left to them.
     
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    But are they working at jobs that provide adequate wages for the costs of living? Or, do workers need to work several jobs to survive? That's important to those affected.
     
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    yes liberals are pathetic. When their handlers told them a wall was good they were for it. Now that Trump is for it they are against it. Now they don't care if real Americans ever get wage increase again.
     
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    how can they be when liberals invite in 60 million illegals to drive down wages??
     
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    China just started anew and provides perfect
    way to show liberals how capitalism works. Billionaires show ordinary people how to make huge economic progress. Without the inequal billionaire everyone is back to being a dirt farmers. ITs not zero sum game as your handlers told you. Billionaires don't prevent ordinary people from moving up too. 1+1=2
     
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    yes the instant they adopted Republican capitalism they eliminated 40% of the entire planets poverty despite the huge inequality there. Sorry to rock your world.
     
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    why socialism if of all things when it just starved 120 million to death????
     
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    and you benefit by stealing money at gunpoint from the rich? or earning money based on your marketplace value to others?
     
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    You understand that US citizens are the 1%ers of the world? Average US citizens live better than the vast majority of those on the planet. And many who do poorly in the US do so because they never took advantage of the opportunities they have....or wasted them.
     
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    yes even Europe has about 55% of our GDP because they have more socialism!

    The European Union (EU) economy consists of an internal market of mixed economies based on free market and advanced social models. The GDP per capita (PPP) was $37,800 in 2017, compared to $59,495 in the United States, $42,695 Japan and $16,636 in China.
     
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    Is that what a successful American capitalism depends on--a border wall? You can't IMPLEMENT capitalism where it's already working & has been for over two centuries.
    As a living, breathing liberal, I want to alert you to how wrong you are. I have NEVER supported a sea-to-sea border wall, because walls do more than keep outsiders out. They impact societies in a variety of ways--all negative. Border walls are a symbol of failed nations, for no successful nation ever needs one. I don't mind sectional walls where they can be helpful, but never one stretching from the Pacific to the Gulf of Mexico.

    As a liberal, I want every American to have employment opportunities. I want them to work jobs they enjoy, and make a living wage as a minimum. I want every American to have access to health care as a right of citizenship. I don't know where you got the ideas in your post, but I'm deeply concerned about its inaccuracy. :(
     
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    How can socialism be the problem in America when America runs on capitalism & always has?
     
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    No the dumbest possible excuse for building a wall is that Trump promised his moron supporters a wall
     
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    The GDP is the wrong measure. More important is the quality of life, and Europe surpasses the U.S. in many facets of that measure.
     
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    Socialism never starved 120 million to death, COMMUNISM did. Socialism & communism aren't the same. They're not even related. Soviet attempts to pretend they were, were simply propaganda. Looks like you may have fallen for that propaganda. :(
     
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    Let me know when you can find any evidence that actual tax reates have increased since the seventies.

    But please provide your evidence that class mobility surged after the Regan tax cuts. You do understand what class mobility means I assume. You know like the GINI coefficient.
     
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    Exactly so now explain why anyone pretended the six hundred miles was an intelligent use of taxpayer money. You do know I assume that most illegals entered America legally.
     

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