Trump just had to get into the act

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  1. Sandy Shanks

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    You have a severe reading comprehension problem. Read the OP again. Try to pay attention this time.
     
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    The article does not say who spoke first. I remember an FAA representative say he agreed with Trump's decision. The FAA representative said he FAA was an information driven organization and they would normally wait for more information. Or some such words.

    "Trump wanting to get into the act" is a big nothing and who really gives a big $hit? They are grounded as they should be.
     
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    Typical for you to talk this way. I guess only your articles get it correct. But the former head of the transportation safety board is the one man who got it wrong.

    No Sandy, you attacked Trump and this man set you straight.

    Mr. Hall was chairman of the National Transportation Safety Board from 1994 to 2001.
     
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    I am an old school pilot. I enjoy being in charge of all systems. Trump is talking about computers that actually take over control forcing the pilot to stare at the controls in disbelief that he lost control over the airplane.

    Trump has some valid points on that.

    Perhaps in your world an airplane not in the control of the pilot is no danger, but ask those who died in the crash.

    Sandy, were Trump to send you a million dollars you would still complain. What would you do in the Marines to a person so insubordinate as you are?
     
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    So Trump beat the FAA to it. Big deal.
     
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    This is almost a unique problem. The computer tries to compensate for an instability problem. However, the instability is so great that if the computer fails, the pilot may not be able overcome it manually. That is a truly dangerous and frightening scenario.
     
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    You mean you don't want every utterance you make to be taken literally??
     
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    Sandy, first this is wrong.
    FAA had not grounded the airplanes.
    Trump grounded them
    FAA then issued the order.

    FAA issues FAR and orders to airmen and airline firms.
    The NTSB investigates all types of accidents.
     
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    The FAA is part of the executive and reports to the president
     
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    I have never piloted an aircraft when the computer took the control to the point I was helpless.

    And you are right, it would scare the best pilot.

    When I hear things in the news or in the media, I chalk it up to them not being experts. I take what I read with "a grain of salt".

    Stall avoidance is taught to all pilots from very early on. One can recover from a stall, but avoid them and do not get backed into having to fight one of them. That works best. Then the modern airliner also has signals to the pilot or alarms so the pilot has a heads up on this.

    I can't even guess why the 737 is alleged to nose down but have a lot of time practicing evading or recovery from stalls.

    When it comes to Trump, Democrats rush to blame him for everything. i was aghast today to read them blaming him for the crash of that airplane in Africa.
     
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    When I first got the report that it was first Trump i was shocked. But as it turns out, yes it was first Trump. Sandy thinks Trump commanded to take attention. Actually that is not true. Trump did it thinking it was best to save lives. FAA in my opinion were taking the best path.

    Why?

    Two reasons.
    Boeing was not calling for a grounding Boeing does not enjoy crashing of those airplanes.
    The airlines in the USA were not calling for the grounding. Airlines have a most senior pilot over all pilots.

    They are both very quick to ground aircraft if those have flight safety issues.

    Sandy is no expert.
     
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    Also, the FAA was the last to ground them compared to other countries. Literally.
     
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    What you get wrong is your uninformed commentary on a subject you obviously don’t understand. Trump’s comments have flown over your head. You are on Trump hating autopilot nosediving at full throttle.
     
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    That is because as the head of all those agencies, while highly unusual, very unorthodox, Trump told FAA what to do.

    I could be expected to side with Trump. Sandy expected to attack Trump.

    I don't have the insider scoop but know enough about FAA to know they hired a lot of very good experts. They talked this over with Boeing. I do not doubt this at all. Boeing is not in business to lose aircraft. It upsets them a lot.

    Did both aircraft that crashed encounter the same flying conditions?
    Hell I don't know. Sandy does not know. I know the African crash was only about 6-7 minutes into the flight. What about the crash of the Indonesian airliner? I plan to check that out.

    We have experts in Government and so do the airline companies and Boeing. I am not going to jump the gun. A lot of times when planes crash I am able to "jump the gun" and predict why it crashed. But not this time.

    Frankly almost every crash is rooted with pilot error. I hate to say it but the airplanes are super well engineered and super well tested first.

    I think why FAA or Boeing did not ground the airplanes has to do with normally it is pilot error.
     
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    The reports I have read are the same. The aircraft does something unusual and the crew does not know how to handle it. When Trump says these aircraft are complicated, most people do not know how complicated they are. They are fly by wire relying on the computer to be programmed correctly. One of the aircraft that crashed had a sensor malfunction misleading the computer. Some pilots have complained that the instructions are inadequate.

    All in all, I used to work in the aircraft industry and the FAA will investigate thoroughly but that takes time to come to the right conclusions and actions, which they will eventually do.
     
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    Option 3

    Trump keeps his mouth shut and lets the people who are charged with airworthiness certificates do their jobs. Which is the way it is normally done, and the way it was done in every one of the countries that grounded the plane.
     
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    This situation was far from normal. Two aircraft lost in what appears to be similar conditions. Nearly all nations except the US was grounding them. Our FAA was slow to react. Apparently because they wanted to think about it a little longer.
     
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    Except for a personal attack upon me by one Trump fan, this post was avoided by Trump's fans. Why is that? Reality hurts? No wisecracks?

    Trump has done this before. As a matter of fact, if there is an important issue somewhere in the world, Trump will thrust himself into the middle of the matter because his narcissistic persona requires him to be at the center of any melodrama. Two identical aircraft crashing within five months of one another fits perfectly for him.

    In March 2017, Trump received an envoy from Kim Jong Un's ally, the President of South Korea, Moon Jae-in. Trump liked what he heard from Kim's ally and he immediately decided to meet with the North Korean dictator, something no other President had done for a multitude of reasons. Trump consulted no one before making this decision, not his SecState, not his NSA, and not his intelligence agencies. In fact he made the decision soon after his chat with the envoy.

    Trump's decision was so abrupt, there was no one around to announce the decision. So, the envoy did it. South Korean national security adviser Chung Eui-yong told reporters of the decision after meeting with Trump at the White House. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...or-announcement-coming-north-korea/408781002/

    Trump just had to get into the act.

    Without preliminary agreements, without the involvement of the state department to any measurable degree, the lead diplomat at the Singapore summit, President Trump, experienced total failure.

    Naturally, the self-centered Trump had to try again, this time in Hanoi, Vietnam. The Hanoi summit was another debacle and soon afterwards new photographs from commercial satellites showed activity at a variety of sites related to North Korea's space and missile programs. The North seemed to be preparing for a launch.

    But, for a few weeks there, Trump was the center of attention.

    He became the center of attention again in July of 2018, but for all the wrong reasons. Again without any preliminary agreements and little or no involvement of the state department, our lead diplomat met with Vladimir Putin in Helsinki, Finland, a stone's throw from the northern border of Russia. Trump went to Putin, but that was only the beginning of the disaster. He met privately with Putin for two hours, and only interpreters were present. No one, not even Trump's SecState and NSA, knows what was said during those two hours.

    But Putin knows.

    Then, to a world-wide television audience, Trump said he did not believe his intelligence agencies concerning Russian interference in our Presidential election. He believed Putin because he sounded sincere.

    Obviously, Trump became the center of the world's attention ... again. His naiveté was on full display ... again.

    Trump just can't help himself. He must get into the act.
     
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    And has been done since the beginning of commercial aviation.

    Face it, Trump fans, your boy was grandstanding again.

    The US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) cited new satellite data and evidence from the scene of Sunday’s crash near Addis Ababa for its decision to ground the planes.

    This is a source that is unaffected by the Office of the President.

    https://www.straitstimes.com/world/...ng-737-max-8-and-9-jets-cites-safety-concerns
     
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    What Trump fan personally attacked you? I responded to your post. Can you prove anything I said was incorrect?
     

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