Brexit Comedy - A reckoning from the other side of the channel!

Discussion in 'Western Europe' started by Mandelus, Mar 13, 2019.

  1. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are opinion polls, and there are 'opinion polls', if I make myself clear. I'll expand upon it if you want me to, but meanwhile consider 'loaded questions'??
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'd give anything to know why you're so interested - some would say obsessed? - with this subject, Mandelus?
     
  3. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    Because so much bullshit and lies are told from the UK, coupled with incredible ignorance of the facts, that it hurts!

    Nice that you're upset about Tusk and Juncker ... your right to be and a fan of both I am not too ... only, they do NOT decide on EU site about your Brexit! That is what the EU Council is doing and is made up of whom ...? ;-)

    It pisses me off now, what kind for an incredible fireworks of lies and accusations from the UK came and still comes ... exactly because this Cerberus!
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Can you tell me please, Mandelus - when was the last time the EU budget accounts were signed off?
     
  5. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    Sure, no problem...

    The budget is decided on a yearly basis by the European Parliament and the Council of the European Union on the basis of a proposal from the European Commission (Article 314 TFEU). The responsibility for implementing the budget lies with the European Commission and the Member States (Article 317 TFEU). However, the annual budget is included in a multiannual financial framework (MFF, "financial perspective" until 2009), which fixes the level of revenue and expenditure for seven years (Article 312 TFEU). The MFF is adopted unanimously by the Council on the basis of a proposal from the European Commission and after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament. The current MFF is valid for the period from 2014 to 2021.

    Any questions?
    Is anything bad on this, which was decided yby your British govenrment too as by all other EU gvernments, which form the EU Council who has the power to decide by voting with 1 vote per member state?
     
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    The Don Well-Known Member

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    The question asked has been identical, the polling organisation is reputable (yougov).

    Perhaps you inhabit a bubble where most or all of your friends and acquaintances share your views and where your news sources (Daily Mail, Sun and Daily Express) reinforce those views. I can understand in that case why you think Brexit has overwhelming support but it appears that the British electorate are as split on Brexit as they were back in 2016 and as split as our elected representatives appear to be.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Spare me all the bureaucratic gobble-de-gook, just tell me when was the last time it was properly audited and signed off as being valid by the President of the European Union?
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    'yougove'!!!! :roflol: :roflol: Well sources don't come more virtuous than a government body do they? :wall:
     
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    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    Ehm ... which President of the European Union? Ehm ... there is no one existing!

    And mate ... please read again ... the first part and the last part and you have your answer.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The sitting President at the time of the audits?? For example, the current President of the European Union is Tusk

    I don't understand that 'answer' - only someone who is part of the EU bureaucracy would understand it. Just please give me a year, or a link where I can have sight the audit report? And please - no more obfuscation, because I'm sick of it.[/QUOTE]
     
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    The Don Well-Known Member

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    Yougov isn't a government body - it's a privately owned company.

    If you'd like to suggest another polling organisation which has a timeline of support for Brexit, then please name it and we can take a look at its results.
     
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    The aspect of "Theater of the Absurd" is very strong in this continuing soap opera. Especially how the Brits have created a huge problem for themselves in wanting to 'leave' a Europe they never really joined and now want to rely on that Europe to solve the problem for them.
    Comedy or tragedy? Perhaps too soon to tell.
     
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  13. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And in all likelihood the recipient of government funding. A 'privately owned' propaganda outfit, as it were?

    Sorry but I don't know any!
     
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    In all fairness the EU budget responsibility is actually not that bad - consider the level of benefits fraud here in the UK and relative lack of enforcement in actually getting the fraud policed and funds returned and benefits cheat up in front of the beek. I am probably wrong but of the total EU budget 80% is administered by the individual countries and of the remaining 20% that is retained by the "Commission" as it were the expenditure as quite strictly controlled. I think the charge of auditing irregularities is a kind of red herring.
    The biggest issue with the "mis-management" was payments to Airlines like Ryanair, Air Berlin, Easyjet et al to use airports that were struggling - the airports received EU money to pay to the airlines to use their airports. This has stopped.
     
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    The Don Well-Known Member

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    Stop throwing around unsupported allegations.

    If you have evidence that yougov is an unreliable pollster then please provide it.

    Then how do you have any idea as to support (or otherwise) for Brexit outside your bubble ?
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well I'm numerically dyslexic so I'll have to take your word for that. All I know is I keep hearing that it hasn't been signed off for years, and that 'they' keep sacking those who say so.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'll 'throw around' anything I like matey, and leave others to judge whether or not it's well-founded.

    If you have evidence that yougov is an unreliable pollster then please provide it.

    Gut feeling, simply that - gut feeling. I've been around the block more times than you think, and am no fool.
     
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    OK - I'll continue to point out when those allegations are unsupported tosh.

    I don't, quite the opposite, it seems to be a reasonably well regarded.

    The thing is, most of us tend to be surrounded by people who share our views and are attracted to news sources that align with our positions so gut feeling isn't necessarily that reliable - unless you acknowledge that likely bias and actively seek out alternative viewpoints and/or objective sources.

    If I just considered people I interact with on a regular basis - and went with my gut, I'd assume that support for Brexit was well under 10%. I know from objective sources (like reliable polling organisations) that my gut is quite wrong and that Brexit support is currently somewhere in the 40%+ range.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You do that! Meanwhile I have more interesting threads to address. Right, where was I . . .
     
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    Bravely running away Sir Robin ;)
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I know when I'm :deadhorse:
     
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    Hi mate....just for the hell of it I looked up this....
    Hanbury / Politico
    ...its a pretty confused picture....
     
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    Wrong ... sorry ... the EU has several Presidents in moment and not only one and for sure is non of them something like the head of the EU as is Trump in the USA as President of the USA. The EU does not have it.

    Donald Tusk is the President of the EU council and nothing more...

    Aside Tusk are also...

    President of the EU Parliament = Antonio Tajani in moment
    President of the EU Commission = Jean Claude Juncker in moment

    Leading role in defining the overall political direction and priorities of the EU in cooperation with the Commission
    Promoting cohesion and agreement within the European Council
    Representing the EU externally and on security issues, but without the right to conclude contracts here or to order measures that are not mandated or authorized by the EU Council.

    And the EU Council who may give orders to Tusk etc. consists of ... the government members of the EU member states, so mostly depending and for the issue responsible ministers of the governments of the EU from the member states, in big things, the heads of government!


    [/QUOTE]

    The EU Council decides for 5, maximum 7 years, who has to pay how much into the EU budget. Decide, that means to agree has also the EU Commission and the EU Parliament too.
    The annual budget, for what the EU spends how much, is proposed annually by the EU Commission and must be approved and decided by the EU Parliament!
     
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    I know that Juncker is only missing his clown shoes and red nose.
     
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    Sure ... I am not a fan of him ... but about Brexit: What can he decide against you alone in Brussel again, please? Who makes decisions about Brexit on EU Side again?
     

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