Where are the Trump Republicans?

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  1. Sandy Shanks

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    Trump Republicans are not Republicans, meaning they are not true conservatives. True conservatives are strict Constitutionalists. They would never allow a President, even a Republican President, to assault our Constitution. They would never allow a President, any President, to challenge the powers of Congress based solely on rejection or a campaign promise.

    Trump recently declared a national emergency for the expressed purpose of going around Congress to get funding for his wall. Because Congress denied those funds twice and they have sole power of the purse, that is a direct attack on our Constitution.

    True Republicans joined with Democrats to prevent the Presidential threat to our Constitution. Congress passed a bill that voided Trump's declaration. Trump vetoed the bill. Enough Trump Republicans voted against the bill to sustain Trump's veto.

    Put a different way, Trump Republicans in Congress voted to weaken the powers of Congress by granting the executive branch the power of the purse.

    Now to my question. Where are those Trump Republicans? What are they saying? My searches for their statements have proven futile.

    Trump, of course, never suffers from a loss of words, and in an idiotic way he bragged about his veto even though a substantial number of Republicans voted against him.

    True Republicans who voted in favor of our Constitution also have made a number of statements.

    Trump Republicans are mute.

    One Trump Republican had this to say. “I don’t believe a national emergency declaration is the solution,” said Sen. Thom Tillis, R-N.C., who warned of taking the country down a “rabbit hole” with future presidents seizing unchecked executive power. Then he changed his mind and voted against Congress.

    “I wish he wouldn’t have done it,” said Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, echoing comments by GOP colleagues. Then he voted against Congress along with his GOP colleagues.

    Many Republicans back Trump's emergency plan, calling it justified by the need for border security. They do not mention the border wall, which is the entire reason Trump declared a national emergency in the first place.

    And they don't dare mention Trump's threat to our Constitution and the impact it will have on Congressional power.

    It’s an outcome Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and his leadership warned Trump against. For days, they publicly urged him not to declare an emergency. But with Trump’s signature Friday on the action, the Republican leaders are largely falling in line behind Trump. https://www.apnews.com/6a066be5783d419499272d12f41770b4

    Since then, Trump Republicans have been silent on the matter. Why is that? Are they embarrassed they are supporting an issue that diminishes their own power?

    Are they embarrassed of their support for Trump?

    Trump is a very bad President. His own followers can't openly support him. They go into hiding.
     
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    Where are the Trump Republicans?

    Where are Trump's fans?

    Trump is a very bad President. His own followers can't openly support him. They go into hiding.
     
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    SO are you inferring by saying "Trump Republicans are not Republicans, meaning they are not true conservatives. True conservatives are strict Constitutionalists.":

    That Republicans = true conservatives = strict Constitutionalists? ROFLMAO!!
     
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    They prefer to talk about Beto and AOC.
     
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    Trump Republicans support a stronger executive and a weaker congress in violation of the Constitution, imo.
     
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    Trump Republicans are not Republicans, meaning they are not true conservatives. True conservatives are strict Constitutionalists. They would never allow a President, even a Republican President, to assault our Constitution. They would never allow a President, any President, to challenge the powers of Congress based solely on rejection or a campaign promise.

    Changing the meaning of the Constitution is a liberal position.

    I am guessing with your limited abilities that you are trying to defend Trump's decision. I guess that makes you a liberal. ROFLMAO!!
     
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    Yup, anyone but Trump.

    I designed this thread to get them to defend themselves, defend their positions. They can't even do that.

    "WASHINGTON (CNN)Americans give the nation's economy glowing reviews in a new CNN Poll conducted by SSRS, and Donald Trump's approval rating may be reaping the benefits."

    "A majority give the President positive reviews for his handling of the nation's economy (51% approve), and his overall approval rating has ticked up to 42% in the new poll.

    Our economy is on fire, and a majority of Americans are better off than they were two years ago. Generally speaking, the President gets credit for this even though, historically, Presidents rarely have any direct effect on the economy, and that is certainly true in Trump's case.

    The fact that Trump receives only 42% approval for a raging economy with full employment is not a credit to the President.

    This might explain the problem as it pertains to this thread. Trump has the support of the less educated.

    White college educated respondents: 40% approve, 55% disapprove.

    White, non-college educated respondents: 54% approve, 39% disapprove
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    https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/18/politics/cnn-poll-trump-economy-tech/index.html
     
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    Yup, and they don't dare talk about it.

    Put a different way, Trump Republicans in Congress voted to weaken the powers of Congress by granting the executive branch the power of the purse.

    Now to my question. Where are those Trump Republicans? What are they saying? My searches for their statements have proven futile.

    They must be ashamed of their position, ashamed of their support for Trump.

    Well, you can't blame them.
     
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    I did not vote for Trump or Hilary. Mostly, I voted against Hilary. Why should I defend anyone? I have and will defend Trump when he does something I like. At the moment, I if I had to decide who I dislike more, I would pick the democrats. They are intentionally making it impossible for Trump to govern.
    I will put it a different way. The democrats are not against the wall. They are against doing anything that looks like Trump might be correct. They liked the wall in the past. Nothing has happened which made walls obsolete. They are as effective now as they were ten years ago when democrats liked them.
     
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    SO you are saying that Republicans = true conservatives = strict Constitutionalists? ROFLMAO!!
     
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    You know as well as I do that the '74 bill upon which this is based was written by Democrats.

    There have been dozens of declarations of national emergency some of which are still extant some of them even more egregious than Trump's.

    Point of fact I believe the bill was written by Democrats purposely to allow for an end run around congress for this very circumstance only they never dreamed it would be Trump or Reagan or some one like them in doing it. Now you want to change the law good I'm all for it but in the mean time drop the damn sour grapes. What's good for the goose is good for the gander and all that sort of eye wash.

    Oh one other thing if you're being honest, difficult at best with all that Trump hate flowing through your veins, you know as well as I do the relative power of the three branches of government has changed a good bit over time and it is constantly changing morphing and evolving over time.
     
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    Signed by a Republican President. Don't overlook that little tidbit...
     
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    Since passage of the National Emergencies Act in 1976, every U.S. President has declared multiple national emergencies: Carter (2); Reagan: (6); H.W. Bush (4); Clinton (17); W. Bush (12); Obama: (13); Trump (4)

    So, you were saying?
     
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    Deliver fact to Sandy’s flame baiting, and this what happens to his threads.
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    I was saying it was bipartisan. Unclutch those pearls and acknowledge that. Also acknowledge NO OTHER PRESIDENT has even CONSIDERED using this to do an end run around Article One of the Constitution. May it reap swimming pools of reich-wing tears when the office changes hands...
     
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    So your opposition isn’t based on principle then?
     
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    Absolutely it's based on principle. But I also believe in karma and poetic justice. Be very careful what you wish for - you might just get it...
     
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    If you were a conservative as you claim you would understand why college educated and non college educated percentages differ as they do. Elitists like you can not be true conservatives.

    The fact Trumps poll numbers are steady is not a credit to you and your comrades. With overwhelming negative media coverage 42% is exceptional. It also demonstrates that you are completely out of touch with much of the country. No surprise since you bag on the backbone of the country continually.

    I’m sure everyone is impressed with your opinion that only college educated Americans are intelligent enough to know what is needed in government. Sandy’s creed is “government of the college educated, by the college educated, for the college educated (except for college educated southerners) and everyone else should just shut up and knuckle under”. No, you are no conservative and you are no Constitutionalist.

    On to the economy. The idea Trump’s policy isn’t positively impacting the economy is absurd. If he wasn’t president the segment of the economy I operate in would be so hampered by regulations today survival of many businesses would have been impossible.

    The Fed kept interest rates artificially low throughout the Obama administration. Even though they have raised them in an attempt to derail the economy, the confidence the administration has instilled in businesses and many consumers has buffered the effect of higher rates. Quantitative easing in the previous administration allowed stock market gains in the absence of GDP growth. Again, without the confidence instilled by a pro business administration the markets would have pulled back considerably if not crashed. Without QE and pro business confidence it would have been inevitable.

    Looking forward to your next propaganda piece.
     
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    If your opposition is based on principle I would expect you to say something like “may the next Democratic President reverse the trend and govern the way we said we wanted when Trump was President”. I guess principles are different to different people.
     
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    Anyone who supports the Grifter in Chief at this point has forsaken all principles. There is no redemption for Cult45ers.
     
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    Well you certainly sound like an expert on principles. Good talk.
     
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    History will judge.
     
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    According to Sandy, the last 3 republican Presidents weren’t republican, because they declared National Emergency, a combined 22 times.:rolleyes:
     
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    Not just Trump, but Trumpers too.

    "To Republicans who've been inclined to acquiesce in a Trump re-nomination in 2020: Read his tweets this morning. Think seriously about his mental condition and psychological state. Then tell me you're fine with him as president of the United States for an additional four years." Bill Krystal

    The Trumpers response will be they are fine with it. Therein lies the problem.
     
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    You know you’re desperate when you have to wheel out a neocon hack like Bill Crystal.
     
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