New Zealand Prime Minster Acts to Weaken Its Citizenry with a Ban

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  1. Primus Epic

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    New Zealand's Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, announces outright ban on all "military style semi-automatic weapons" and all "assault rifles" along with all "high capacity magazines" and "all parts that can convert a semi-automatic weapon into a a military style assault weapon." She's banning all "parts that could cause a firearm to fire rounds at semi-automatic, automatic or close to automatic fire."

    In short, and this is the part that causes me to cringe, this Royal Crown of London Mouthpiece acting as overlord of the Royal Crown Territory known as "New Zealand" said the following:

    Unreal. That some politician can step in front of a microphone and camera to summarily strip its citizens of the right to own a certain type of firearm for self-defense, effectively making it illegal to own said firearms and forcing a government buyback of said firearms under the threat of imprisonment, is breathtaking to say the very least.

    Folks, this was New Zealand. However, the same thing happened in Australia, back in 1997. And, you can rest assured the here in the United States, Nancy Polosi and Dianne Feinstein, were glued to their television sets drooling at the hope of having the opportunity to stand before a camera and microphone while giving that same dictatorial decree here at home.

    Make no mistake about it, Nancy Polosi and Dianne Feinstein, will be front and center using this Royal Crown Puppet's national decree as their rallying cry here at home for the way "Assault Weapons" and "Semi-Automatic Weapons" should be treated. Forget about the fact that we have a Constitution that guarantees the right - they will use this event like they use all "events" to their political advantage in their Quest for Banning Firearms in the United States of America.

    What you say take place in New Zealand, is exactly what a Rogue Government looks like - full blown and out in front. No statement was made by this Prime Minister about New Zeland's need to engage in better Parenting and rearing their children to respect Life. No comment about the real cause behind their deadly shooting by this Royal Crown of London Puppet was even prepared for her script. She never talked about what really happened in New Zealand, or the real reasons behind the decisions made by this individual.

    She just flat out blamed the gun. As if the gun, woke up on Friday, morning, walked itself out of the house, down to a mosque and pulled its own trigger. There was no comment made about the fact that somebody had to engage in behavior that was completely antisocial and criminal in order for that tragedy to take place. It was the gun's fault. The gun did it. The gun had a mind of its own that day and therefore, all such guns must now be banned.

    Examine the definitions she uses to describe the gun(s):

    - Military Style
    - Assault Weapon
    - High Capacity Magazine

    These are buzz words that get people who know little to absolutely zero about firearms filled with fear and intimidation. She gave not only a dictatorial decree from a Public Office, but she also used Fear and Intimidation against her "loyal subjects" that day.

    Military Style Weapon, is pure nonsense. It is not a Military Style Weapon unless it sees actual Combat in a time of War. Assault Weapon, is pure nonsense. A toothpick can be used as an "Assault Weapon." A ballpoint pen can be used as an "Assault Weapon." A baseball bat can be used as an "Assault Weapon." A vehicle can be used an "Assault Weapon." The tool one uses to "Assault" someone IS an "Assault Weapon" by literal definition. High Capacity Magazine is a total con job as the number of rounds used to determine "Low Capacity Magazine" has NEVER been defined anywhere on the planet or by any government on earth. So, calling something "High Capacity" is intended for no other purpose than to beguile and confuse.

    I mourn for the People of New Zealand, today. Their government just went one step further down the road of ultimate tyranny. Their government just gave New Zealand Criminals more leverage than they had yesterday, to commit more criminal acts. These new laws WILL NOT stop violent criminals from obtaining "Semi-Automatic Weapons" or "Military Style Assault Weapons." These new laws WILL NOT stop violent criminals from engaging in crime. All these laws did was make law abiding New Zealanders less safe in their own country.

    This Prime Minister should be impeached post haste. The People of New Zealand should focus on providing better Parenting to their young, so that they do not develop anti-social disorders that cause them to become violent offenders. It is just that simple.

    Just another United Nations "Full Member" doing their job to bring about their vision of the new world order where People, are made subject to whatever the government dictates whenever it decides to dictate it.
     
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    It's only a matter of time before the government of New Zealand comes and enslaves it's people now that they don't have guns to fight off the government! Only a matter of time I tell you!
     
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    So before these guns were banned, people in those mosques all were carrying AR-15s?

    Fact is, most people don't carry guns and don't like guns....period.

    Most people do not believe guns keep anyone safer.

    Most people believe guns make life miserable.
     
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    Then why are yall having so much trouble passing a constitutional amendment to ban guns here?
     
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    I suppose this explains it.
    US gun laws: Why it won't follow New Zealand's lead
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41489552

    Why do you suppose the vast majority of people don't carry or own a single gun?
     
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    Which "right" is next? Which one will the government decide to take away, or add merely because it wants to? Guns today, sure. Freedom of speech tomorrow, why not. Let's be clear about something:

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    This plan has been on the books for a long time now. New Zealand, a Full UN Member "State" as just joined the battle against The People of the World. These Elitists have not given up their desires for a "One World Government" where they clearly tell you in their own documentation that the "United Nations would be sufficiently strong and the obligations of all 'States' ... sufficiently far reaching as to assure .... a disarmed world."

    This is not a joke. They are moving their agenda forward without or without the disbelieving (sheep-like) public's opinion.
     
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    Most people believe what they have been programmed to believe and what they have been programmed to believe is that Uncle Sam will take care of them, protect them and see to all their needs, hopes, wants and desires. Most Americans, have no idea what Freedom truly looks like or what it takes to maintain it. Most Americans who think guns make life miserable, would be the same exact Americans who would burn the United States Constitution in the streets, if it meant having the government take care of all their needs, hopes, wants and desires. Most Americans are operating under a delusional set of instructions deeply imprinted on the brain that causes them to error in judgment when it comes to handing the government sufficient power as to control, manipulate and beguile them into a passive posture of insignificance and puddled impotence.

    If there was a Concealed Carrier in that Mosque, someone trained in the art and science of gun fighting in urban settings, then maybe less than 49 people would have lost their lives that day. One thing is for certain however, the deluded criminal would have know full well that he was in a real gun fight and that alone would have diverted his attention long enough to most likely have saved some lives that day.

    This narrow and extreme focus on guns being the problem, to the absolutely deferral of any responsibility or duty placed on the individual has got to stop. It is wrong six days a way and twice on Sunday, be that self-deluded as to not see that it was the Individual who needed to be "banned" and not the tools he used.

    Period.
     
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    Funny that gun people never want to blame the gun but always want to thank the gun.
     
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    In a Democracy, the Mob Rules. Fortunately, we are a Republic - though that Republic has been effectively taken over by Corporatists. The "vast" majority definition changes depending on local in the United States. There are some places where nearly every house on the block has some kind of firearm in a safe somewhere on the property. Then there are high density metro areas (typically more Liberal) where firearm ownership could be as low as 10% or less. It really does depend on where you go, were you work and where you live.

    The interesting part is what's in the middle of your question. Places where gun laws are highly restrictive, but where gun "possession" is relatively high. Here you will mostly likely find your criminal activity and people who don't care what your guns laws look like. You'll probably also find these places having some of the highest rates of violent crimes on the books.
     
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    Guns were never ever a right for the individual.
     
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    And what good is a gun in a safe when you are in your place of worship or home watching TV, eating dinner, sleeping?
     
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    Some Factoids comparing New Zeland Crime to United States Crime: https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/New-Zealand/United-States/Crime

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    Total Crimes Per 1,000 is what jumps out at me. New Zealand's population is not as large as the US, so absolutely value of Murders with Firearms per Million is skewed to look like New Zealand, is far safer a place than the US. However, crime is crime and criminals are criminals. And, the Total Crimes Per 1,000 says something about the two cultures. If New Zealand's population was the same size as the United States, this ratio f Total Crimes per 1,000 would be off the charts astronomically larger.

    This, combined with New Zealand's much lower Police Force numbers tells me that the very last thing this Prime Minister should be doing is disarming the Citizens of New Zealand. According to these numbers, they need help defending themselves. And, the Woman, need more help than anyone else in New Zealand, defending themselves from Rape.

    Counter fact to the Prime Minister's move today: If more Women were CCW and Trained, their Rape numbers would be considerably lower. That seems like a slam dunk expectation. But, it must be impossible to obtain a CCW in New Zealand.
     
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    Sorry, but that just makes no sense. It is not logical at all. There's no there, there. Why would anyone want to blame a paper weight for committing criminal acts? That's what firearms is until an Individual comes in contact with it and turns it into an "Assault Weapon." The "gun" is not an "Assault Weapon" by itself. It has no motives, no opportunity, no means and no capacity to instantiate itself as an "Assault Weapon." It is a lifeless object, no different than your Vehicle. It does not do anything without the Individual commanding it to do something. If the Individual commands the firearm for Self-Defense, then the Firearm becomes a Weapon of Self-Defense. If the Individual commands the Firearm for offensive criminal activity, then the Firearm becomes a Weapon of Offensive Criminal Activity.

    This is not hard. This was never difficult to understand. And, it makes no sense to try and use nonsequitur or illogical premise to bolster an argument that has no defense or basis in truth in an of itself. I've got a paper weight sitting less than 3 feet from me right this second. It is nothing but a useless paper weight, until somebody decides to come into my home without my authorization and fails to leave when commanded by me to do so immediately. Then and only then, does the H&K become a Weapon of Self-Defense in my hands - because I command it to be such, not because it sprouted legs, arms, hands, feat and a brain - and then decided to convert its status from paper weight to out of control Offensive Weapon.

    Again, this is not hard. This is nothing more than Liberal refusal to ACCEPT PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR OWN ACTIONS IN LIFE. Liberals, are all about BLAME. Pointing figures. Looking for Effects instead of being the Cause of the change they want. It is not the fault of the Firearm. That is an irrational conclusion based on nothing resembling the truth behind Causation. We live in a Cause precedes Net Effect universe. The gun does not fire itself. The "firing" of the gun is the Net Effect of a prior Causation having nothing whatsoever to do with the gun itself.

    WHEN do Liberals start talking personal responsibility for the outcomes in their own lives. When? That's all I want to know. When? Stop playing the Blame Card, merely because you don't like something, fear something, don't understand something and are unwilling to LEARN about something you don't yet understand.

    Stop blaming and stop shaming, Liberals. Just stop.
     
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    To late with this decree they already did it. I'll never never understand why it is with that leftist want to punish everyone rather than just him who did the crime.
     
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    It just goes to show that you never learned the mathematical concept of Ratio and Sample Size. When you do that comparison, Rape and Total Crime, puts New Zealand, waaaay out in front of the United States, once you equalize Total Population. That was not done in the stats presented here. That's why the numbers are skewed towards the US looking worse and that's what I told you in my post. Increase New Zealan's Total Population to that of the United States and Total Crime in New Zealand, goes astronomically greater. Off the charts buck wild higher than the United States.

    This tells you that there is something cultural going on inside New Zealand, causing so much "crime." For a population that smaller in comparison to the United States, to have that kind of Rape and Total Crime output relative to the United States, is a clear indication that banning firearms ain't gonna solve the problem in New Zealand.

    Thus, the Prime Minister is focusing on the wrong solution. She's working from Net Effect and not Original Causation, blaming the gun for it all, no less. What this Prime Minister did should be considered criminal conduct while in office.
     
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    I am not in the habit of either thanking or blaming the tool. I suggest ultimately that the tool user is the one to blame for doing bad things with the tool. not the far more numerous people who have never shown any propensity do anything bad with the tool.
     
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    Control Freaks. This is one of the telling sign of the Narcissist. This is what the Narcissist does. Control. And, when they don't have it, they are manipulating everything and everyone around them to gain it. We send these Narcissists to Washington and State Capital buildings all the time. Now, just think about it. It is one thing to be a Narcissist. But, it is absolutely dangerous to yield legislative powers to a Narcissist. You could destroy an entire Republic doing that.

    Liberalism = Narcissism
    Ultra Liberalism = Covert Narcissism
    Narcissism = Control
    Control = Manipulation

    Taking personal responsibility has nothing to do with the Narcissist. This is so textbook that it hurts.
     
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    And of course in the end you can scarcely control your own bladder let alone the world around you and trying to do so invariably makes one a totalitarian.
     
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    I think the "liberals" need to start, and the gun people need to stop.

    We've heard all the gun people's crap for years and years, starting with the fraudulent interpretation of the 2nd Amendment .

    Fact is, most people don't like guns and don't own guns and feel the laws should be as strong as possible.

    The people need to stand up to the NRA and all the propaganda ....period.
     
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    Gun people act like you can't happily live life without a certain tool.

    And yet the vast majority do.
     
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    Where does it say in those stats that the U.S. is "safer" because of guns?

    The vast majority of citizens in the U.S. don't own a gun.
     
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    Are you a Trump supporter?
     
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    Indeed. We see the roots ideology forming in one Mrs. Jacinda Ardern, here:

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    Following the paper trail, we find the source of her ideological bent here:

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    Until ultimately you arrive at bedrock ideology here:

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    It is always the same Ideological bent of taking from others and controlling lives in the process. Same old soup straight out of World War I, just warmed over with a new pretty face and a cute first name. The face of Communism turned Socialism. This is why she can so easily take to a podium and destroy the protections of her people. She's been drinking that "koolaid" ever since she left college, apparently. Adopted into Politics because she fit the mold. A willingness to Control at all costs and a Socialist background as foundation while calling it "Progressive" in the use of her daily prose.

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    I'm afraid Socialism is spreading around the planet like a virus.
     

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