BREAKING: Bill Barr to release report in 30 min.

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  1. PrincipleInvestment

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    Most of what NY alleges stems from Cohen's allegations ... confessions ... whatever. I'd say it's very likely SDNY eventually pulls a Mueller ... "can't say one way or another".
     
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    Shows you how biased Mueller is, a prosecutor has no business doing that. Their job is to say yes or no to an indictment, period.
     
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    It was all based on hearsay.
     
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    Are you Sarah Huckerbee Sanders in drag! There was no exonneration on the alleged obstruction. Read:


    "While this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."
     
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    Hillary should have been indicted except she was being protected. That is a fact and soon, those who started the hoax and lied to protect Hillary and exact revenge against Trump for his victory, could soon be facing indictment themselves.

    Trump has been vindicated so today is a good day for Americans.
     
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    Keep hope alive!
     
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    Exactly why the case is incredibly weak. Of course, it's still too early to tell but if I were Trump's defense lawyer, I'd be smug as all hell. Fighting federal charges is one thing. Showing that Cohen's just trying to save his own ass is much easier.
     
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    Anything (either way) is certainly possible.

    But, I really can't see SDNY indicting on anything that is "circumstantial" (without a per se "smoking gun").
     
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    I suspect that if Mueller had found zero evidence of obstruction of justice, emoluments violations, money laundering, bank fraud, and other crimes, he would have said "exonerated". So I think the fact that he specified "does not exonerate him" means he found evidence of crimes that he turned over to prosecutors or appropriate offices.
     
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    He can only "save his own ass" by being scrupulous in telling the truth, and he knows it.
     
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    I'm sure SDNY can secure an indictment. Whether that benefits them is another thing entirely. The "spectre" is good for their name recognition and fundraising, so they might just be posturing anyway. Losing a case comes at a risk, maintaining the "spectre" doesn't.
     
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    "Fundraising"? SDNY? They don't fundraise. They are not a private operation. Governmental agencies don't fundraise.
     
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    Cohen's been sentenced. He got his deal, he's got nothing to save. SDNY is trying to build a case because any idiot knows Cohen's testimony is worthless.
     
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    Yeah ... candidates and appointees fundraise. Are you new to this country or something?
     
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    That depends on the definition of 'telling the truth'. In essence, he can't clear his own guilt but in claiming that Trump 'ordered' him too he can make himself look like a pawn. There's several problems with this. 1) In his testimony to the House, we got a firm understanding of what Cohen understands to be "Trump's language", which is basically indirect affirmation. However, none of what Cohen said is an actual affirmation in of itself. Cohen *Took* it to be affirmation.

    The prosecution's going to really run into problems with that in court. If it's not explicitly stated then it's not a directive. If it can't be shown that this indirect affirmation is indeed the way he ordered people to do things for him, then this whole thing is a bust.

    2) Even if he somehow clears this burden of showing that Donald Trump had given such indirect affirmations, there's yet another problem: The power of Agency. Simply, Michael Cohen is competent to stand trial. He was competent enough to hire his own attorney and competent enough to set up the wire fraud accounts in the first place. The idea that Cohen was compelled by Trump, ordered by Trump is absolutely laughable. This is the other problem the SDNY faces in its prosecution.

    Cohen would like to assauge himself of all blame in this matter, but the truth couldn't be further from reality. In reality, he did set up those accounts. He did set up the medallion business. He profited for his own gain and associated with Trump to do more of the same.
    He's blaming Trump now because it's convenient, not because he has a conscious.
     
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    The Tucker Show will be a must-see tomorrow.
     
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    Cohen's confession Mueller forced him to compose isn't binding on Trump. That event is far from a clear campaign finance violation.
     
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    Carlson is one epic badass.
     
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    Wow, you are grossly misinformed! If he is caught lying, his whole previous testimony and cooperation goes out the window and the WHOLE BOOK is thrown at him. He would go to prison for a long, long time. And you talk about idiots and what they know.
     
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    You specified SDNY. The United States District Court for the Southern District of New York is a federal district court. They don't fundraise. Are you new to politics or something?
     
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    FOX news hosts won't be able to get a (D) congressman on air for years. Donna Brazile might just resign ... :roflol:
     
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    I won't claim that Cohen lied to the SDNY. I'm going to say that his statements aren't going to be convicting in a court of law. The SDNY needs much more if it hopes to nail Trump. Right now, the case looks like something you'd hand a rookie defense lawyer to get their feet wet.
     
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    Whatever you say. Cohen's cooperation isn't in perpetuity. Sentencing is the final stage of the plea agreement. Cohen delivered what was required ... it's over for Cohen.
     
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    Nope ... not new to politics, or neo Marxist obfuscation.
     
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    That is common to criminals and courts consider such implications to be requests or orders.

    As I just said, that's not true. It's not so "cut and dried" as you pretend.

    But they won't be doing it to prosecute Cohen, so his crimes are irrelevant. He already admitted to them and was prosecuted for them. His only value is as a witness with direct experience with Trump.

    He's not concerned with blame since he already admitted to his crimes and it's no longer an issue. Hellooooooo?
     

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