JUSSIE SMOLLETT CRIMINAL CASE DROPPED!!! Mayor Calls It a 'Whitewash of Justice'

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  1. Nunya D.

    Nunya D. Well-Known Member

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    Except there was no admission of guilt. The $10,000 and the CS were given to drop the charges.....kind of like a bribe. Speaking of bribes, this is Chicago. I wonder what the DAs take was.
     
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    Any sort of trial would have been a waste of time and money.
     
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    I disagree.....but then I am a supporter of the Rule of Law. From all I have read, they had plenty of evidence to bury him. Unless he pleaded guilty, it should have gone to trial....no matter the cost. This is not completely a victim-less crime. However, I do agree that it is unlikely he would have received much punishment or jail time on the Class IV felonies, but that is really not the point if we want to be a Nation of Laws.

    I am curious though. If he IS innocent, why aren't the brothers that beat him up and admitted to it (supposedly) in jail....or are they?
     
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    The official on FreshAir today stated that this kind of offer is frequently made and that guilt is part of the deal.

    She stated that his record will forever show that he was guilty.

    Basically, he admitted guilt and accepted a $10,000 fine.
     
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    To me, this sounds like a pretrial intervention (PTI) type deal with an additional agreement on additional damages paid for. The difference to ordinary PTI is that there are usually no additional fines attached to it. PTI also requires you to stay out trouble for a year otherwise all the charges that were waived will be brought back in the new charges. So it is not a plea deal because he did not plead it out, but he agreed to terms that were deemed acceptable by the prosecutor. Thus, the charges are dropped and Smollet has to pay a certain in return for the charges dropped.
     
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    He did not plead guilty. The charges were dropped. There is absolutely no situation where charges would be dropped and maintain a guilty plea on record.

    Dropped Charges = Case does not exist
     
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    We do not fund our justice system (from police through prosecution and incarceration) at a level that allows all crimes to be tried. We don't have a fraction of the court space that would require.

    So, our justice system uses methods that WE VOTE FOR (through our representation) that allow for various kinds of infractions to be handled in an expeditious manner.

    In this case, the guy has a record of being guilty and a $10,000 fine. And, it didn't push out the wait time for numerous other court cases.

    Then YOU come along and suggest this means we don't believe in having a nation of laws?

    Sorry. There is NO justification for that.
     
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    Wrong....... Following his court appearance, his attorneys released a statement saying that the actor's "record has been wiped clean of the filing of this tragic complaint against him."

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...-empire-actor-jussie-smollett-dropped-n987446
     
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    Yes....we do plea bargain.....for a guilty plea. This was not the case here. There was no guilty plea. The case was DROPPED and his record was expunged. The guy DOES NOT have a record of being guilty. Your whole argument is based on a faulty assumption on your part.
     
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    I think you are wrong about his record.

    His permanent record shows that he admitted guilt.

    As for the longer term impact, the penalties of record and fine seem enough to be discouraging to others.
     
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    OK - I'll look into that a little more.

    I was repeating what I heard on FreshAir this morning when the state prosecuting attorney was interviewed.
     
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    His permanent record was expunged.
     
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    His lawyer also said that the state action was unilateral and voluntarily.

    But, Jussie had to take part as he had to agree to the $10,000 fine and community service.

    Anyway, it looks like the defense managed to get the record sealed, so it's not going to be easy to find out more about this one.
     
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    He NEVER admitted guilt.

    Do you have a Link that verifies your claim?
     
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    There are no statutes that say that, but there does not have to be. The length of a sentence is at the Judge's discretion. There are guidelines, but it is not a stretch to imagine that some Judges would sentence one group of people to longer sentences due to other circumstances. For example, they feel that the person has not learned their lesson, they could enforce a longer sentence. It just happens that darker skinned people get longer sentences. It does not happen in every case for every judge, but it does happen enough to produce the disparity stated. This does not mean it is explicit racism. It could be implicit racism that has lingered. The rationales of why can be debated, but the fact that the longer sentences exist is quite well documented.
     
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    It was a case of black privilege. Admit it.

    Or, the jury did not want Chicago to burn.

    You pick the one you like :mrgreen:
     
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    I believe you are wrong about the expungement.

    The defense said they would apply for expungement today, but didn't.
     
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    If you are asked whether you've been charged with a crime when filling out any government related job application you answer yes, regardless of the disposition.
     
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    You are correct....just googled it. It appears that the attorney did not file today.

    However, here is a statement from the attorney:


    If the State dismissed the charges, expunging the record would be very easy.
     
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    I see no reason not to accept the decision to consider a $10,000 fine and community service as sufficient.
     
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    My mistake
     
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    That is incorrect. Employers can not ask if you have ever been charged with a crime....not even the Government They can only ask if you have been convicted....and some States do not even allow that.

    https://www.workplacefairness.org/criminal-records-workplace

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    Just discussing it is a conspiracy even if they didnt carry through

    You should be at least slightly concerned about unelected rogue agents with that much power
     
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    Got it

    Is she one of the subversives george soros was trying to get installed in many states?
     
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    Given the way that the Cook County Prosecutor's Office operates, this was a fantastic resolution for them.

    Saving the time and expense of a trial, and getting 10k.
     
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