Are the Palestinians the Jews NOT expelled from Judaea after Bar Kochba Revolt?

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    No, it absolutely does not.

    The law doesn't allow for stealing land like has been done in Palestine for a few DECADES now.

    Even if Israel subsumed Palestine and became one nation, by law ALL Palestinians would become Israeli citizens and would retain full rights to their property.
     
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    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Yes. We absolutely should not have done that.

    However, we can't point to our own bad acts as a justification for others doing similar bad acts.

    It doesn't work that way.
     
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    The Pallies know if they commit acts of terror their homes are bulldozed.
     
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    But you are still living on the land.
    It's not justification, it just eliminates you to judge.
     
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    But how about the land.

    shouldn't the muslims offer up some land they stole as a trade.


    Or do you think the Jews should not be allowed to have a homeland.
     
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    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Palestinians stole ZERO land from Israelis.
     
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    Oh, good lord. That's just plain nonsense.
     
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    Muslims stole land from the Jews.
    It is Muslims that are using the Pallies as expendable pawns.
    It is the Muslim religion that claims once Muslim land always muslim land.
    Muslim is the reason nobody will invest in the Pallies.
    Muslim is the reason nobody can trust them.
    Muslim is the reason other muslim countries are giving them weapons.

    if they made that stupid religion illegal, most of their problems would melt away.
     
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    But how about the land.

    shouldn't the muslims offer up some land they stole as a trade.


    Or do you think the Jews should not be allowed to have a homeland.
     
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    Oh good LORD

    This is just more absolute NONSENSE.

    International law recognizes personal property. It does not recognize this crazy idea that LAND has a RELIGION.

    And again, it is Israel that is stealing land that belongs to individuals in West Bank.
     
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    Sharia law says that once land is Muslim land, it is always Muslim land,

    Are you saying you are unaware of that.


    BTW, Spain is Muslim land.
     
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    The Bible accepts slavery, too.

    You're just headed back to your ridiculous ideas about how religion works.
     
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    The bible is not. relevant here
    This is Sharia law.
    Why would you think the bible would have anything to do with this.
     
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    Then why does Palestine give cash rewards to terrorist criminals, rather than punish them as criminals?

    Everybody sees you dodging this obvious truth, you're not fooling anybody.
    More victim blaming.
    So you support giving cash rewards to the families of terrorists who die in suicide attacks.

    Duly noted.
    You support suicide attacks, and you agree that Muslim terrorists, and their families, should be given cash rewards for killing Jews. There is no other possible interpretation.

    Simple question, which I fully expect you to dodge.

    Should Palestine continue the Martyr's Fund, or should they abolish the practice?
     
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    Seems none of our wanabee Muslim sympathizers want to answer that.
     
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    This is a fake issue.

    Even the IDF states that President Abbas is their most important ally in security and keeping peace.

    Not long ago Israel relaxed their restrictions on allowing weapons to the government of Palestine in order that the government could be more effective in keeping the peace.

    Whether you or I find the name of this support offensive, there is no doubt that those who lose working family members will need support.

    Israel PUNISHES families who become destitute through the suicidal acts taken out of the monumental hopelessness that Israel wrecks upon them. They drive these families from their homes and take out other retribution.

    THAT is an actual crime by our standards - and by international agreement.

    Read OUR declaration of independence. It states reasons WE gave for carrying out a violent revolution. And, the offenses identified are BABY TALK compared to the humanitarian atrocity being carried out by Israel.
     
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    None of this addresses the Martyr's fund. Unless, of course, you're saying the Martyr's fund is fake, and it doesn't actually exist. Is that what you're saying?

    Evasion, once again, noted.

    So you're say the family of the New Zealand mosque shooter's family should be supported with special compensation?

    As well they should. Families who program their own children to be terrorist murderers deserve no less than harsh retribution when the evil they've nurtured is unleashed upon innocents.

    You can claim Israel is the bad guy all day long, but, until Palestine gets rid of their "Kill a Jew! Win a Prize!" Martyr's Fund, you'll get no sympathy from me. Cash rewards for terrorists who commit murder is pure evil, and the fact that you can't face the plain truth of it, says everything that you've repeatedly refuse to say.
     
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    Martyrs are dead - you know that, right?
     
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    Interesting......
     
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    You're dodging the fact that the fund has a humanitarian purpose, as the families are not guilty.

    Israell disagrees, suggesting, carrying out punishments on relatives. This is distinctly unacceptable.

    The root problem here is that Israel is ethnically cleansing Palestine, ruling it with their foreign military law often implemented by mercenaries with little responsibility for their actions.

    WE considered a tiny fraction of that as being ample cause for a revolution.

    Suggesting that this fund is an issue compared to the massive humanitarian atrocity perpetrated by Israel is just plain ignorance.
     
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    If the KKK granted a big cash award to the family of Dylann Roof, would you consider that a humanitarian act? His family isn't guilty, are they?
    Where, when, and how do they suggest that?
    Palestine's population has grown by about one million over the last decade. Palestine's population has grown at a rate 1/3rd again faster than Israel's population has grown over the last decade. How is it that Palestine's population is growing at a faster rate than that of the people who are "ethnically cleansing" them?

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    Could you please define "ethnic cleansing" for me, and please explain to me how it applies to the reality I've demonstrated above?
    You believe there is ample justification for the Martyr's Fund, yes?
     
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    Let's take a closer look at the "ethnic cleansing" happening to the Palestinians.

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    And that's taken from a very, very pro-Palestine site, so the numbers are almost certainly skewed to make Israel look as E-vile as possible, but, for illustrative purposes, it will do just fine.

    10,000 Palestinians killed by Israel over 20 years- works out to about 500 per year.

    To put that in perspective, there are approximately 10,000 African American victims of street crime in the US EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

    If you look at the number of Palestinians killed by Israel over the last five years, it's tiny in comparison to the victims of street crime in just Chicago alone.

    So that's the sort of "ethnic cleansing" that's happening to the Palestinians.

    Basically, it's far safer to be a Palestinian having "massive humanitarian atrocities" perpetrated against you by Israelis, than it is to be a gangbager on a hot summer night on the south side of Chicago.
     
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    Not to forget if you are in Palestine and don't go to the border throwing sh-t,
    Don't shoot rockets,
    and are home studying,
    You will never get hurt anyways.
     
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    I do not see any comparison here. Roof wasn't a terrorist, for example.
    Israel has a policy allowing the eviction or even demolition of homes of families who have some member who is guilty of terrorism.
    Ethnic cleansing doesn't depend on population growth rate. It is the forced clearing of an ethnicity from a region for no more reason than who they are.
    I don't like the "Martyr's Fund". There is never "justification" for terrorism.

    But, this fund pales in comparison to the humanitarian atrocities wrecked on Palestine by Israel.

    Plus, these Isaeli atrocities are the fundamental motivating factor for terrorism. I'm quite cofident that Americans would take the exact same action. We see our own declarationn of independence, stating our justification for revolutionary war. We see international law which had the US as a primary driving force. We see the agreement under which even just the legal boarder of Israel was established, dividing land without ANY acceptance by the people who lived there. We see the actions of Israel, so counter to EVERYTHING we belileve in as a nation.
     
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    Israel should have run all of them out in 67.
     

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