No-deal Brexit

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  1. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    From here: No-deal Brexit - what it might mean for UK economy


    Say it isn't so ...
     
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    Well May has apparently refused to move on her red lines with Labour but possibly is now thinking about having another referendum. I am not sure why she bothered with talks if she had no intention of moving.
     
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    :roflol: 'Brexit' will go over like a fart in the wind. It won't amount to anything.
     
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    Yeah, for like a weekend.
     
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    It will go down for the UK like this:

    Here I sit broken hearted
    coming to s..
    and only farted.
     
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    EU says No Deal or long delay - with the UK behaving.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politic...rt-brexit-delay-have-not-been-met-says-berlin

    May has made clear, No Deal will not happen. There was talk last night that May is possibly thinking now of a Referendum, presumably because she is scared of a General election - though why she would be when the Times on Sunday has already prepared for this by providing a new conspiracy that Labour and Jeremy Corbyn in particular are the worst antisemites the world has ever seen. No question the right of the Labour Party would prefer an extreme right Tory Party taking the UK out of the EU on No Deal than a Labour Party following the values Labour was created to achieve.

    I am looking forward to Scottish Independence from English craziness.
     
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  8. LafayetteBis

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    You hope, blinded by the nonsense of the Rabid Right in the UK.

    You (plural) in the UK are in for a bad ride. Tighten your seat belts ... !!!
     
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    Just do it!

    And laugh pointing your finger at the inevitable higher unemployment rate in what's left of the UK. (8000 jobs lost in car-manufacturing alone. And Britain’s finance ministry has said the economy could be 8 percent smaller by 2035 after a no-deal Brexit.)

    I have never understood how a Tiny Channel of water could separate mentalities as regards what has been a common economic history for centuries (aside from two World Wars ...)
     
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    It certainly is, and the first to go under will be the EU states - we're getting out just in time.
     
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    We get most of our imports from Germany, we export most of our exports to USA.
    I'm sure, hard Brexit could change this so we buy American.
    It seems the EU wants to keep the UK from buying American.
     
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    And EU will do the same with the US out of same reason ... simply because Trump is a liar and dumbass who hates facts!

    Bull****!!!

    As country, the US is with 13-14% the biggest one to get your exports ... followed by Germany with 10-11%! But because the EU is an internal common market, the EU as whole has to be counted and then factg is that 40% of yyour exports go to the EU members!
     
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    The more you call Trump an idiot and a liar, the more you seem less informed and more passionate.
    Why do you hate Trump for standing up to the EU?
     
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    Europeans love to call Trump an idiot.
    Why?
    Because he's not buying the EU's crap.

    I however, have proof that the head of the EU lacks the most basic of diplomacy and common knowledge.

    For 'the crime of' supporting Brexit, the head of the EU suggested that US states could leave the US and that UK was like a state of the EU.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-30/eu-s-juncker-to-trump-back-brexit-i-ll-push-texas-independence
    Now tell me, who's the idiot now?
    I think it's the one who doesn't know how the world works, and that standing up to a bloc isn't stupid.
     
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    No, because Trump is betrayer, liar and dunbass ... and he was always in his life and I hate him since ever ... far before he ever thought about to become US Preisdent.

    And in contrary to you, I am very well informed.... as it is shown many times about topic Brexit alone!
     
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    As usual you miss the fine points. No country or organization has to trade with an other country or organization. But if they decide to, than the WTO rules as a minimum take effect.
    The EU is not a member of WTO, it is just a spokes person for the members of the EU.
    The EU does not have to have frictionless trade with the UK. It would be of an advantage for both parties, of course, but not a must.
    Despite the heavy input of the UK economy, the loss will hurt the EU, by all means, the EU has finished deals last year, with far greater markets and economies than the UK, which should develop nicely over the next years and others are coming.
    While the UK starts at the very bottom of the ladder, with a desperate economy and industry, which has lost 40% of its market, or at least faces tariffs and customs and what ever.

    But you bank on a country, which has already a surplus in trade with the UK, the UK will get eaten alive, swallowed and farted out.
     
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    Would cutting trade be a violation of WTO?
    That would stop our right to trade and would discriminate against a UK based costumer trying to buy from Germany. It would also discriminate a UK based customer using their phone in Germany or anywhere else in the EU, and Article 24 in my understanding of it stops European Trade from punishing a country while that country looks for free trade.
    It's WTO rules we'd be trading on if we crash out of the EU.
    So, wouldn't choosing to not trade with UK be a violation of our rights in the UK for the UK based consumer?
     
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    What crime, @gnoib warrants a trade embargo of the UK?
    What has the UK done, to warrant sanctions against it?

    There are none and you have nothing and if we want to buy American, then so be it, but European Trade must remain friction-less on WTO terms while we seek friction-less trade, only AFTER which you can impose friction on EU trade with Brexit Britain in the event of UK crashing out without a deal.
     
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    As for any political declaration made by Theresa May, forget it! The next PM whoever they are may use it for toilet paper, that's how good that is, but when push comes to shove, it's all about the money, and the trade, that's what matters, the trade part of the withdrawal agreement.
     
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    If a company in Germany wants to trade with folks on Mars, Germany could not stop it. If a UK company wants to sell stuff to the US nobody can stop it.
    If you sell outside a EU free trade agreement partner you have to do it under WTO rules, if the country is a " member " of the WTO.

    WTO is a club like the EU, just in case you have not got that fact.

    Who is talking about a trade embargo, nobody. A no deal would mean the standard WTO trade barriers and would take the advantage of a no trade barriers economy and trade away. The UK would be a third party country, without a treaty, mind you.
    Again the UK does around 12% of its trade with the US, no body in the EU can prevent that, they could do 40%, no body in the EU can prevent that.
    But if you bring goods into the EU, they have to match the EU standards. If they do, you can bring in what and how much and what ever you want.
    If you bring them in from a country the EU has a free trade agreement, probably no tariffs and a easy paperwork, they come from a party without a FT, WTO terms if they are a member of WTO.
     
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    Until the UK negotiates a free trade deal for itself, there must be friction-less trade with European countries. Only after the UK enters into a new trade deal, can any tariffs come into affect in a no deal Brexit or Article 24 Brexit.
     

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