Trump Accuses Democrats Of 'Executing Babies After Birth

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  1. TurnerAshby

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    Doesn’t matter, I’m not ignoring the law and as the law stands today killing a viable baby even with deformities would be murder.
     
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    you all under the false assumption that the only time late term abortions are performed is because of some dieses or deformity and that is just false many are performed on perfectly healthy unborn
    and who the hell are you or anyone else to decide when another life isn't worth living?
    and don't you dare try to make an equivalence with assisted suicide the one that elected for assisted suicide did so under their own free will they decided its what they wanted did the survivor of a late term abortion get to make that decision?
     
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    Right, I’m talking about allowing it for deformed babies that have been aborted.
    So you at least agree no one is killing health viable babies. Cool.
     
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    Ya, 1st in concrete terms what does being deformed even mean?

    Also depending on “deformities” that person could still turn out to be happy with themselves meanwhile people perfectly normal are committing suicide.
     
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    Can you show me all of the cases of late term abortions being done on healthy viable babies of healthy mothers?
    You do realize parents are in charge (always have been) of all decisions for babies and children since babies and children are unable to make their own decisions, right?
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    more lies from the baby killing left

    Abortion lobbyists admit that most late-term abortions are done on healthy mothers carrying healthy babies. Guttmacher Institute statistics confirm that "most women seeking later terminations are not doing so for reasons of fetal anomaly or life endangerment." Instead, data suggest that “most women seeking later abortion fit at least one of five profiles: They were raising children alone, were depressed or using illicit substances, were in conflict with a male partner or experiencing domestic violence, had trouble deciding and then had access problems, or were young and nulliparous.”
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...e-term-abortion-are-grown-up-and-speaking-out
     
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    Well i was talking about the cases in which abortion was unsuccessful and the failed abortion baby is born.

    If I can’t prove it I try not to say it and I can’t prove conclusively that viable babies are being killed illegally. Viable babies are being killed but within the framework of the law to my knowledge.
     
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    An opinion piece? Really? Hahahahaha
     
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    most are

    Abortion lobbyists admit that most late-term abortions are done on healthy mothers carrying healthy babies. Guttmacher Institute statistics confirm that "most women seeking later terminations are not doing so for reasons of fetal anomaly or life endangerment." Instead, data suggest that “most women seeking later abortion fit at least one of five profiles: They were raising children alone, were depressed or using illicit substances, were in conflict with a male partner or experiencing domestic violence, had trouble deciding and then had access problems, or were young and nulliparous.”
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...e-term-abortion-are-grown-up-and-speaking-out

    There are more than 12,000 abortions annually after 20 weeks of pregnancy
    so even half are done on healthy mother/baby that is 6000 trice as many as children that are killed by guns per year
     
  10. TurnerAshby

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    Well parents aren’t in charge of everything for example a parent can’t kill their 6 year old without murder charges.
     
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    its not an opinion those are facts

    here is a NY times article saying the same dam thing

    An Abortion Rights Advocate Says He Lied About Procedure
    A prominent member of the abortion rights movement said today that he lied in earlier statements when he said a controversial form of late-term abortion is rare and performed primarily to save the lives or fertility of women bearing severely malformed babies.

    He now says the procedure is performed far more often than his colleagues have acknowledged, and on healthy women bearing healthy fetuses.

    Ron Fitzsimmons, the executive director of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers, said he intentionally misled in previous remarks about the procedure, called intact dilation and evacuation by those who believe it should remain legal and ''partial-birth abortion'' by those who believe it should be outlawed, because he feared that the truth would damage the cause of abortion rights.

    But he is now convinced, he said, that the issue of whether the procedure remains legal, like the overall debate about abortion, must be based on the truth.

    In an article in American Medical News, to be published March 3, and an interview today, Mr. Fitzsimmons recalled the night in November 1995, when he appeared on ''Nightline'' on ABC and ''lied through my teeth'' when he said the procedure was used rarely and only on women whose lives were in danger or whose fetuses were damaged.
    https://www.nytimes.com/1997/02/26/us/an-abortion-rights-advocate-says-he-lied-about-procedure.html
     
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    No kidding
     
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    and how about the other half the babies that survive abortion when they were perfectly healthy baby and mother? how do excuse that depravity
     
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    He lied. But now he’s telling the truth? Uh huh. Even if it was true...it’s illegal. So just like any profession there are unscrupulous people.
    The point is there are no LEGALLY performed late term abortions on healthy viable babies.
     
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    No one is legally aborting health babies
     
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    The way I look at it if it’s prove able that the woman aborted a healthy baby, did we really want her gene pool to continue?

    We can make all these laws to stop others from doing wrong but history shows they’ll do it anyway regardless of laws. All we can do is follow are own truths and tell people what our truths are. I believe abortion is wrong every way but I know I can’t stop people from doing bad or evil things I can only stop myself and influence those around me.
     
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    here is a study on late term abortions
    Guttmacher Institute statistics confirms most late term abortions done on healthy mother and baby

    Who Seeks Abortions at or After 20 Weeks?
    "most women seeking later terminations are not doing so for reasons of fetal anomaly or life endangerment."

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1363/4521013

    I gave you two articles and a study and they all said the same thing many if not most late term abortions are done on healthy mother and or baby
    and if you continue to believe the planned parenthood propaganda stay drunk on their Kool-Aid after I provided you three separate sources this debate is pointless because no matter what I provide you wont see the truth
     
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    Seems like doctors might be killing failed abortion infants that have human rights or democrats are trying to shield doctors from the law

    “Senate Democrats on Monday blocked a Republican bill that would have threatened prison time for doctors who don't try saving the lives of infants born alive during failed abortions, leading conservatives to wonder openly whether Democrats were embracing "infanticide" to appeal to left-wing voters.”

    https://www.google.com/amp/amp.fox5...-care-to-infants-who-survive-failed-abortions

    What did democrats say was the reason they voted against a bill that forces people to follow the law?
     
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    keep believing that after I provided you three separate sources that says different
    but believe what ever you have to believe so you can sleep at night
     
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    “The bill would require a health-care practitioner to “exercise the same degree of professional skill, care, and diligence to preserve the life and health of the child” as he or she would to “any other child born alive at the same gestational age.” The bill includes criminal penalties, a right of civil action for an affected mother and a mandatory reporting requirement for other health providers.

    Opponents of the bill argued that it represented an unjustified attack on abortion rights, preventing doctors from exercising their best medical judgment and exposing them to possible lawsuits or prosecution.”

    Since when do doctors get to decide what laws they follow?


    “We must call out today’s vote for what it is: a direct attack on women’s health and rights,” Leana Wen, president of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, said in a statement. “This legislation is based on lies and a misinformation campaign, aimed at shaming women and criminalizing doctors for a practice that doesn’t exist in medicine or reality.”

    If it doesn’t happen why not sign the bill?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...d3d4d8-3924-11e9-a06c-3ec8ed509d15_story.html
     
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    If you like your baby,
    You can keep your baby.

    BUT IMMIGRATION IS CLOSE: “There is no single issue on which American media opinion is more unrepresentative of public opinion than abortion.” Also, affirmative action.
     
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    Both Judaism and Christianity displaced religions that murdered their young. It's no wonder that Democrats embraced infanticide the same year they embraced antisemitism.

    The evil the Left's disrespect for life has bred

    This is what the Left hath wrought: the notion that infanticide is not only tolerable and legal, but morally defensible.
     
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    Odd that you have to explain that. But where the Left has gone with this is pretty shocking/

    NORTHAM SAYS “NO” TO ANIMAL CRUELTY, “YES” TO INFANTICIDE
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    Last week, Ralph Northam, Virginia’s embattled governor, signed legislation that makes animal cruelty a Class 6 felony, punishable by a fine of up to $2,500 and a prison sentence of up to five years. That’s okay, I guess. Animal cruelty should be punished harshly in extreme cases. But what about extreme cruelty to humans? Northam supports legislation that, as he described it, permits such cruelty in the form of infanticide.
     
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    Humorous to hear Trump pandering to the religious right and watching them gobble it up like pigs in a trough.

    Trump does not give two hoots about the "unborn" in general.. regardless of the stage. Trump is a Social Darwinist. In his world there are two classes - "Genetically Fit" = the elite and "Genetically unfit" = those of us who work for a living - the "Lower Classes".

    Helping the "Genetically unfit" upsets the natural order and degrades/pollutes the gene pool. This is not in keeping with "Survival of the fittest"

    Feeding the poor ? That's even worse than helping out the lower classes.

    Trump tried do cut off funding to the Special Olympics a couple weeks ago ... what a dumb ass. The backlash was swift and he quickly forgot that idea.

    See - I am not all bad all of the time ;)
     
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    The fact that Northam gets away scot free from wearing blackface next to a guy dressed up in kkk garb is what’s really messed up
     
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