Children ripped away from parents in Germany for the crime of homeschooling.

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  1. squidward

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    Despite all the state educated illiterate burger flippers
     
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    Here's where your problem may come from. You are passing your judgements largely on a sample of people who invest themselves talking politics on a political chat forum. Those are not the most humble, most laid back of people in this country or any other. No they are highly opinionated, rather obstinate , and definitely proud types, regardless of ideology. It would not surprise me to discover a similar experience to what you describe if I were chatting away on a forum catering to German, French, Japanese or South African political pundits. these people are a little quicker to get defensive, a lot quicker to take a stance, and they stubbornly dig in, not because they are German, French Japanese or South African, but because people on these political chat sites, like to argue, like to be right, and have an inordinate sense of hubris.... at least I hope so.

    The larger point that you bring to us, is that we have a hell of a lot we need to know about the law, the culture that produced and interprets the law, and a sense of the community values behind it. We tend to come into these debates about foreign laws, far too ignorant of any context, and if we start digging in our trench, and loading our rifle too fast, we may be tempted to shoot at targets too quick. We need to be willing to learn from others who know moredetails and more about the culture, before we pick up the shovel.
     
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  3. The Rhetoric of Life

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    Yes.
    In the UK if you don't send your children to school or home school them, then some truancy officer from local government's liable to prosecute parents if the child is getting like a 20% attendance record..
    Same thing if your children play hooky, if they miss school and aren't present, then parents start getting notified, and the UK can prosecute a parent who fails to send their child to school if that child's attendance record is so low that they're missing school. Only a sick note from a parent/guardian is a valid excuse for an authorised absence.
    Home education is regulated, but so is any other education.
    UK have Ofsted
    https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/ofsted inspectors here who make sure a school's a school, even for adult education and student unions.


    In England, education is compulsory, but sending your child to school is not. This means that by law, you have the right to teach your child at home, including if your child has special educational needs (SEN). You don't need to be a teacher or have educational qualifications to home educate.
    https://www.theschoolrun.com/home-education-legislation-england
     
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  4. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    And are you okay with that?
     
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    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    State loving?
     
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    Because it makes no difference to the law being horribly authoritarian.
     
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    How is homeschooling not a "kind of education?"

    It may be a VERY safe assumption, but you're making an assumption.

    ABSOLUTELY! By the way, are you German?
     
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    Love for the State is better than evidence
     
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    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    Sure, but what does that have to do with my opinion that if parents were physically impacting on their kids health, government should step in? You are also of this opinion.

    What "real problems" have I pretended "cannot exist?"
     
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    And what did speech have to do with Hitler's success?
     
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    Alright, but I just don't see the relevance to homeschooling.
     
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  12. chris155au

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    Right, and who should decide whether or not it is advantageous? The state, or the parents?

    Which "rights of the children" are you referring to and who determines them?
     
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    So you think that laws against homeschooling don't actually have anything to do with education, but is just to get kids to be seen by teachers so that abuse can be detected?
     
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    You just assumed that I am a Yank without actually knowing? :roflol: That's just brilliant! You certainly offended @btthegreat!
     
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    How about, they know what is best for their child?

    THEMSELVES! Who else?

    And this standard cannot be reached with homeschooling?
     
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    Ehm ... because people did not vote for him because of the appearance in the elections, but because of his hate speech!
     
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    Really? Are there not enough examples which proof the opposite?
    Sure ...
    I certainly do not want to generalize, there are also parents who can, but also enough, where that is at least questionable.
    Take all the idiots who belong to any sect or religion and therefore do not want to send the children to school. Completely unacceptable as a reason.

     
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    ...presumably based on the curriculum..?..I mean can you home school your kid in XBox games.... that isn't exactly within the spirit of ejucashun....but based upon the post schooling abilities of some numpties then the GNVQ (generally not very qualified) may be apt! Who was it that said "join the army and get a secondary education..... to make up for their Secondary Education!!"
    I guess as long as it's in the child's interest and not some home grown Madrasa teaching the beginners guide to bomb making then fair nuff...I guess any parent has to take into account the fact that wee johnny or jane (or perhaps both nowadays...) has to get a job at the end of it then go for it...
    There are people that group their kids together at home and hire private tutors which on the face of it seems pretty sound?
    How do we compare to the rest of the world....looks like we're about average.....??
     
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    Any law is authoritarian
     
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    Parents are limited and can only provide the limits of their own education.
    That's why you have teachers for Math, or language, or science etc., specialized teachers.
    The majority of US homeschoolers are faith based . Science starts and end with the creation, man and dinos roamed the world together, the earth is 6 to 10000 years old depending what group.
    Those children will not be competitive and prepared for real live and become a burden for society.
    That by itself is child abuse.
     
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    :).....yeah that should give the kids an excellent grounding in the modern world....
     
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    Well, that's simply what most yanks on this board do when they talk about other countries' domestic affairs. In fact, they often start threads obviously for that very reason. I'm not surprised you wouldn't see that. Btw, I've put it very mildly given the sheer absurdity that I've experienced here over the years.

    You're missing the point and I didn't say that. I gave you the exact quote from the Decleration of Human Rights that you mentioned but obviously misquoted or were not really familiar with.

    Most certainly not. Parents in Germany are familiar with the laws and their duties and esp. the legal consequences when they insist on homeschooling their children. You don't live there, you don't speak the language (correct me if I'm wrong), you're not familiar with the legal system, yet you think you know better? Quite absurd.

    What you think of these societies is of no importance at all. I'd love to have a dollar for every meaningless "we are free, you are not" that I've heard in my life. I live in Germany, am fluent in the language and dare to say I know a thing or maybe even two about German domestic politics that you might not be familiar with. Again, I'm putting it very mildly.
    Trust me, ninety-nine percent of what you read here about German politics is very inaccurate at best, utterly idiotic at worst, and guess where the nonsense comes from - not from those who live there.

    There are ways to find out and they have nothing to do with brilliant, it's just that you're probably not aware of this. I'm very certain you're a yank, not only the rhetoric gives it away. Whether I offended user btthegreat, who made a valid point, or not is for him to decide, not you. Why did you offend Germans (no apostrophe -s) in your OP?
    Speaking of that OP, the apostrophe -s is not used to indicate the plural in English.
    one cat
    two cats (no apostrophe)
    one car
    two cars (no apostrophe)
    one Nazi
    two Nazis (no apostrophe)
    Very simple.
     
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    Just following orders right.
     
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    obey the law.
     
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    Sure. Follow orders.
     

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