A False Dilemma, in Atheism

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  1. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Democracy is not what made America great. The Constitution was designed as a nation of laws opposed to "mob rule". It respects individual liberty. So does what you call the "christian Holy Book." It eats you up that our motto is "In God We Trust" doesn't it?
     
  2. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You can have human nature.....history has shown what it does without checks and balances. Pride, self promoting, power seeking etc. etc.
     
  3. RiaRaeb

    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And avoiding all the points I made whilst showing a complete lack of understanding of what democracy is! Brilliant!
     
  4. Arjay51

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    And religion rails against all yh9u claim giving the fact that religion has failed. Funny how that works.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sounds an awful lot like the history of the Church....to this day.
     
  6. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Democracy is "two wolves and a sheep" taking a vote on what's for dinner.....or..... a bunch of disgruntled losers deciding how they're going to confiscate the property of the producers in a society.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Religion falls prey to human nature as well. Faith does not. Faith never fails. God never fail!
     
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    Atheists are not just the left. I’m an atheist and I align with political right. What does constitution have to do with a god? I thought there is a separation of church and state!
     
  9. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You can make anything a god. As a Christian, I do believe my liberty's are bestowed upon me by God. I do believe I must obey the laws of the land, but like the founding fathers, I do believe the Creator has bestowed upon me ,certain unalienable rights. Those shall not be infringed upon and they are a constant.
    My discussion stemmed from an atheist who said, his rights come from the Constitution. I contend that whatever one put's their hope in becomes a god or an idle. Of course I say that from my own frame of reference. You might disagree, and I respect your disagreement, however I contend there are those on the left that want to violate and change that Document. When that happens, certain unalienable rights will definitely begin to disappear. My contention the Founding Fathers viewed human nature from a Biblical perspective. In framing the Constitution they installed certain checks and balance to guard against the frailty of human nature. The electoral college being one of them.

    As a Conservative, I am sure you understand what will happen in this Nation if they do away with the electoral college. That, coupled with the invasion caused by open borders and cultures that do not understand the intent of our Founding.....we would be doomed.
    In response to your comment about "separation of Church and State"..... That idea came about to guard against the State Nationalizing a particular denomination as in England/ the Church of England or Italy/the Catholic Church. Government most definitely can use Religion as a means for control...and it does. Again, human nature.
     
  10. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Pure Democracy is "Mob Rule!"
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Lol, no. The Bible does not respect individual liberty. Have you read the Bible?
     
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    I don’t think there is a reason to worry about electoral college as that would mean converting the country from federation to unitary state, which I do not see happening without a major conflict on a scale of Civil War 2.0.
    Anyway, this has nothing to do with religion. You can be a patriot and a conservative without being a Christian.
     
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    You guy's sure love to demonize wolves.

    Here is a bible verse for you:

    1 Peter 5:8
    Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.
     
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    The bible doesn't respect any liberties. Unless you count the liberty for those who are evil natured:

    Matthew 5:38
    But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.
     
  15. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Salvation does not come collectively....it is individual choice. I read the Bible. You don't seem to.
     
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    I have. Several times. And it does not universally respect individual liberty. Sometimes God (according to the Bible) punishes individual liberty with death or worse, and even engages in collective punishment. Surely anyone even vaguely familiar with the Bible knows this. Please don't pretend to not understand this.
     
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    Oh dear! Did you actually get past primary school?
     
  18. RiaRaeb

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    And of course there is Christian collective punishment of the jews as christ killers, which led to centuries of christian antisemitism culminating in the 6 million who died in the holocaust.
     
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    Too bad those who follow its dogma ignore the definition.

    Yes, it is a religion.....a faith based religion at that.
     
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  20. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    that is a typical elitist left comment. Attacking ones education/indoctrination level to try and win an argument in favor of mob rule.
     
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    I do not know of a follower of the Jewish Christ that is an anti semite
     
  22. yabberefugee

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    Reaping and sowing can and does apply to the collective. The Nazis were defeated as a collective in WWII. Live by the collective, you die by the collective. Salvation is only granted to the individual. That is true liberty.
     
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    Nope, you clearly do not understand democracy and have no wish to learn, you are happy in your ignorance, that is fine. It is not hard for you to learn if you wished but instead you chose to dodge, deflect and imagine conspiracies, enjoy!
    Still you have provided know evidence for god.
    Still you cannot understand what an atheist is.
    And still you cannot find anything in the bible about democracy, all your huffing and puffing does not change that.
     
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    It is true liberty to be granted something, you do not know anything about liberty either!
     
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    Being tortured for eternity for not believing the right thing is not liberty. You are redefining individual liberty to the point that even ISIS would be considered its champion.
     
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