The most damning thing I've seen so far in the report.

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    11:15 a.m.: Trump campaign ‘expected it would benefit’ from information released by Russia, report says

    The report on coordination is extremely detailed with only modest redactions – painting a far less flattering picture for Trump than the attorney general has offered and revealing knew details about interactions between Russians and Trump associates.

    Mueller’s team wrote that although their investigation “did not establish that the Trump Campaign coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities,” that assertion was informed by the fact that coordination requires more than two parties “taking actions that were informed by or responsive to the other’s actions or interests.”

    And Mueller made abundantly clear: Russia wanted to help the Trump campaign, and the Trump campaign was willing to take it.
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    I think we are going to find that while the things Don and campaign members did may not reach a legal definition of a conspiracy they were nonetheless contrary to the spirit of the law making it illegal to accept help from a foreign government..........let alone someone like Putin who wants to bring about our demise.

    Legality aside, it was purely despicable behavior bordering what could be considered traitorous.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...2f46684196e_story.html?utm_term=.0798dfb7261c
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Barr is looking more and more like Don's new fixer.
     
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    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Absolutely.

    That "press conference" was an abomination.

    Why a guy like Barr would sell his soul for a degenerate like Trump is beyond understanding.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That being angry at Barr proves to me that you believe he exonerated Trump. Mueller did not come close to indicting him.
     
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    Even by your usual standards this is pretty lame. After the first wiki dump came out was there anyone in America did not thing the second one would benefit Trump? You have no evidence that Trump was talking to wiki or the Russians; the only evidence anyone has that wiki and the Russians colluded remains the cloudstrike report since no one else has ever examined the DNC servers.
     
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    The most damaging thing...1) No conspiracy 2) no obstruciton 3) "lightly" redacted. The last point is key, because they left and it's propaganda machine went on for the past month on how Barr was trying to protect the President, this goes hand and hand with the past two plus years of misleading and false reports from the left.
     
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    Barr is the Roy Cohn that Trump yearns for!
     
  8. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The reasons for members of Mueller's team being upset with Barr's deceitful summation are now readily apparent.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    “Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities,” Mueller’s team wrote.

    The apoplectic reaction of Trumpists if this was found about the Clinton campaign is impossible to overstate.
     
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    Who was upset? Got any names?


    The reality is, if the most damaging part, as you put it, is that the Trump campaign expected the release of the hacked DNC would benefit them....then once again, a huge nothingburger. Everyone expected those hacked emails to show corruption, and they did.
     
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    Yep...no collusion, no conspiracy....we've been telling you that.
     
  12. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "Mueller’s team asserted that in August 2016, Konstantin Kilimnik, who the FBI has assessed as having ties to Russia, met with Manafort “to deliver in person a peace plan for Ukraine that Manafort acknowledged to the Special Counsel’s Office was a ‘backdoor’ way for Russia to control part of eastern Ukraine.”

    The special counsel wrote that both men believed the plan would “require candidate Trump’s assent to success (were he elected President).”

    “They also discussed the status of the Trump Campaign and Manafort’s strategy for winning Democratic votes in Midwestern states,” the special counsel wrote. “Months before that meeting, Manafort had caused internal polling data to be shared with Kilimnik, and the sharing continued for some period of time after their August meeting.”
     
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    Those who still believe Trump colluded with the Russians need to check in to a mental ward. They are still exhibiting signs of cuckoo-ism.
     
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    Not sure about your point there. Barr did NOT exonerate Trump. He merely gave a summary of what Mueller found and concluded.

    Mueller specifically said that the Mueller team DID NOT Trump.

    So...what are you saying?

    Not even close?

    Where is the quote on that...or did he tell you that himself?
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Really?

    "Mueller’s team asserted that in August 2016, Konstantin Kilimnik, who the FBI has assessed as having ties to Russia, met with Manafort “to deliver in person a peace plan for Ukraine that Manafort acknowledged to the Special Counsel’s Office was a ‘backdoor’ way for Russia to control part of eastern Ukraine.”

    The special counsel wrote that both men believed the plan would “require candidate Trump’s assent to success (were he elected President).”

    “They also discussed the status of the Trump Campaign and Manafort’s strategy for winning Democratic votes in Midwestern states,” the special counsel wrote. “Months before that meeting, Manafort had caused internal polling data to be shared with Kilimnik, and the sharing continued for some period of time after their August meeting.”
     
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    So basically...still a nothing burger...just something "purely despicable" like bill Clinton meeting on the tarmac with Loretta lynch bUT not exactly illegal...got it! Thanks
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who's interests would Kilimnik be serving other than Russia's?
     
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    Mueller's team was loaded with Democrats. We told you that many times.
     
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    So..........only Dems are concerned with the truth? Hey, you might have a point.
     
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    Even with Democrats and all their leaking, Mueller himself found nothing at all about collusion with Russia nor did he find that Trump obstructed justice.

    It's in the report.
     
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    Hell, Hillary worked with Russia to defeat Trump.
     
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    Give it up dude, you dems lost this war.
     
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    Having only taken the side of truth throughout this entire process, I'm glad we've arrived at the answer.

    It has been fun the last couple of years, watching partisans on both sides claiming to know the truth, when really, it was all just wishful thinking.

    Rs got their wish; Ds did not.

    Hopefully, Team Blue can get over it, now. The middle (including me,) will not vote for petulant children who cannot accept the results of a truth finding mission. You have to stop. You refused the election results (and some still do.) Not accepting the results of this investigation only makes you look weaker than you already do.

    Let's. Move. On.

    Please.

    I strongly suggest team blue find a message other than "we are not trump,' as we head into the silly season. You can win dems over with any message at all but you need the middle to win and we're sick of you crying like children
     
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    If you plan on giving us your thoughts on a minute by minute basis, ever think about calling CNN or MSNBC? They are in sad need of a collection of fresh-faced whiners.
    The entire report can be summed up in a couple of words, NO EVIDENCE.
     
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