Mueller Finds 10 Obstruction Cases That Barr Says Aren't Crimes

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  1. Len_A

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    So, Barr finds that there are 10 possible instances of Obstruction of Justice, but "there was evidence that Trump had “noncorrupt motives” ".

    Seriously? Since when are the motives for a crime, like obstruction even an issue, to whether a crime in fact has occurred, and is there enough evidence to warrant prosecution?

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...Oay_P9UC1N9kiQYNvATHglppXhlQfXBrAKQlWumD2TynM

    Just as interesting is the comments:

    So...no evidence of collusion, but a tacit acknowledgement that there was Russian interference in the election. Let's see how the GOP and Trump supporters spin that. And exactly WHAT are they, the Trump Administration, going to do to prevent future interference? Or will they stick their heads in the sand and pretend it's not happening?
     
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    The only thing Barr forgot in his defense of Dirty Donald speech was his MAGA hat.
     
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    Exactly.
     
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    The guy was being attacked by the rabid left and right. He was clearly the victim of a huge conspiracy to destroy him by a cast of gov colluding against him. You all can shove this garbage up your favorite places. What would you do if the full weight of the gov top officials were illegally attacking you? Using gov as a weapon is a staple of the left and it needs to end. We need serious investigations into what this gov did to an American citizen they didn't like. This is treason.
     
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    I read the story in the NYTs... same BS> here's the synthesis though. The Mueller team investigate 10 lines of theory, and found none to be testable in court. Period. End of discussion. Nothing found was a result of the lack of basic crime having been committed in the first place. And unlike previous victims of the Mueller approach, Trump didn't allow himself to fall victim of the trap Mueller laid out. There are several pieces of illegality here. Not the least of which was the methods used, by Mueller, to create that legal harm from non substantiated whole cloth. That's prosecutorial abuse and misconduct in anyone's book. Further, the fiction that was the foundation of the investigation is just that. Fiction. And now that we all know it, all of those actions then taken by the former president and his staff, his agencies, et al actually are crimes that need to be both investigated and indicted. Can't wait.
     
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    Bullshit.
     
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    And more bullshit.
     
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    You are the enemy of the USA.
     
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    Truth and justice are the enemy of Trump.
     
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    I think it is more illegal, treasonous acts by you rabid libs and you are not only Trump's problem but ours as well.
     
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    Well, it sounds like the Russian and Trumpian disinformation have done a number on you, then. Very sad.
     
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    They were prone to this type of thinking long before Trump-Russian disinformation campaign. It's just now, Trump strokes their who's while they're too blind to see him picking their pockets.
     
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    I guess that settles it, huh? The most entertaining part of the investigation has begun.
     
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    Really? Because there was no collusion. I still don't know how a man can obstruct an investigation when there was no crime. You and your party have been lying for 2 years about it. Your buddy Barry, illegally wire tapped a US citizen after using a piece of fake propaganda. I think the left have done a number on you and what is said is you know it is true.
     
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    That we can agree on. The best may be yet to come.
     
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    Since forever, obstruction is a specific intent crime, to get a criminal conviction the prosecution must show not just the physical act constituting obstruction, but so too the specific intent behind that act.
     
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    There doesn't need to be an underlying crime to obstruct an investigation and be guilty of such.

    My buddy Barry, whom I never applauded during his eight long years of ho-hum governance, did not do what you say. That's disinformation issued by the Liar in Chief and his propaganda wing.
     
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    First you have to ask why would Russia in particular Vladimir Putin would meddle in the 2016 elections ?

    Maybe because Hillary Clinton as Obama's Secretary of State meddled in Russia's 2012 Presidential election ?

    That's what NPR came up with.

    "Putin's Revenge"





    Why didn't President Obama do anything when he was notified that Russia was meddling in our elections ?

    Because Obama knew that Russia was doing the same thing that he did in Russian elections, Israeli elections, France's elections and other elections around the world.
     
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    Duplicate.
     
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    Obama explained, as I recall, that he didn't want to provoke Russia by responding. Russia has a long history and already did then of meddling in our affairs, but not necessarily to the extent that they ended up doing in the 2016 election. If Obama failed, it was in failing to foresee how bad it could be, how extensive and bold and effective. Since even Obama doesn't have a crystal ball to permit him to look into the future, I can't fault him for that.
     
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    You're spinning. Mueller didn't even consider indicting Trump because he's the President.
    Trump nearly blew himself up by obstructing an investigation that ultimately found he had no colluded with the Russians.
    Paranoid BS without any foundation.
    Meaningless gobbledegook.
    Ah, you already decided they committed crimes! We wouldn't want an investigation and trial to get in the way of a good hanging, would we?

    The IG has already been investigating. How come Barr says he has "questions" when he already has most of the answers? Why are the indictments flying?
     
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    How can you obstruct justice, when this obstruction of justice was around a trump putin conspiracy that was not found?

    Trump was pissed off because he was being castrated by a charge that was a hoax, something he was not guilty of. What this accusation and special counsel did was to take away any capital that he had by winning the presidency.

    But, in so far as legally, he is not guilty of obstruction of justice, and the dems don't like it, and will now turn it into another political circus. If the cosmos bends toward justice this will come back to bite the dems in the arse and lose them power in DC, not give them gains.

    The other down side is that we can now expect the GOP to play these same games with the next democratic president. The other party always tries to get even, and it has been this way since the 90s.

    If you cannot beat the GOP president, trump, you do a hoax, and neuter him and that has been done. Reminds me of the roman empire once they lost their republic like we did.
     
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    Horseshit
     
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    For years liberals were convinced that trump colluded with russia

    But that lie has blown up in your faces so now its on to OBSTRUCTION!

    Obstruction that didnt happen over a non crime
     
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    Haha, what a joke. The best Mueller (Weissman) had was that Trump 'obstructed justice' when he said Paul Manafort was a 'good guy'. I read through the report and it reads like butthurt kindergartens put that **** together. :roflol::roflol::roflol:

    If that's the bar for obstruction, then I guess when Obama was letting Russia meddle in the election (and not telling the Trump campaign), then that SOB should be indicted for colluding with the enemy. It's a helluva lot stronger case.

    Libs, may I suggest some type of salve? Preparation H anyone?

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    "Mueller Finds 10 Obstruction Cases That Barr Says Aren't Crimes'

    Mueller left it up to Congress as the policy is not to indict sitting Presidents, so a lack of indictment is not a sign of lack of evidence of a crime
     
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    Right

    No evidence of a crime is what left mueller sucking air
     
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