What should be subsidized besides health care?

That sounds like involuntary servitude.

Why do some people always seem to want to dominate and subjugate other people?

Involuntary servitude.

 

I would have no problem subsidizing my bank account.

 

The right to own a firearm. Specifically a handgun. And carry it openly.

 

I think it's a safe bet to assume that there will be a two tier system if healthcare becomes nationalized. And if that's the case, I'm equally sure that insurance companies will still sell policies for private healthcare. So you will still be able to buy your healthcare, with or without a private policy.

 

Okay...we have another "C" that does not seem to compute.

Give this a try so I can understand your reasoning:

Come up with a P1 and P2 that leads to: If we have those things we cannot enjoy liberty.

I say it cannot be done.

I suspect EVERY PERSON on the planet could have sufficient for a decent existence...and we could all simultaneously enjoy freedom.

THAT...is what should be the case right now.

 

I'll be 83 in August. Glad there is at least one more old fart posting here.

I'm satisfied with my Buick. I'd settle for morning wood later in the day when I could put it to some use.

 

LOL! So you think if the government takes over healthcare you will still have an insurer? You are such a sweet kid.

 

What? Makes no sense. Don't worry about what I think. Answer the question.

 

Maybe. Maybe not. It is not what leftists envision.

 

Liberty is more to me than staying out of jail.

 

For me also. For most people, I suspect.

But that does not even come close to answering the question I asked.

Why not give that a try?

 

i believe we should solve for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment in our at-will employment States through unemployment compensation.

 

Of course they will say that. Because you offer no viable alternatives
to all those things you're objecting to. Take Obama care as an example.
All this time you've spent objecting to it, could have been used to come up with a better idea.
So where is your "better plan"?
You don't want gun control of any kind.
But what's your plan to keep school kids from getting shot?
Your only concern is to keep Republicans in power.
But why is that so important to you?
So please tell me.....
How does keeping Trump in charge, help you personally?

 

I'm not a republican. I'm a liberal.

My plan is to eliminate employer provided insurance. To eliminate all government restrictions on the establishment of hospitals and medical centers. To eliminate any government restriction on the practice of medicine. And to eliminate patents, including patents on pharmaceuticals. To eliminate any restriction on the creation and use of medicines.

 

Sorry I asked

 

I'm sure. Have a nice socialism!

 

THAT is what you're going crazy over???

 

I certainly don't wish the termination of private healtchare services. But I certainly do wish for the end of private healthcare insurance corporations. I can't see how there can be real universal healthcare so long as they exist.

Why do we prioritize? The private sector provides the services that it can provide more effectively, and the government those that it can provide better. There are activities that should simply not be for profit. In general, human rights should not be primarily for the profit of large corporations. Education being paramount among them. I'm not against private education, but not a penny of taxpayer money should be spent on it. Because we need to spend it on the bulk of the population, regardless of their social level.

Roads can be both private and private. So long as there are public roads to get from one point to another, it's fine if private companies want to build expressways to get you faster and profit from them. But again, the government should not spend a single penny on them.

Parents, sure... And very closely watched non-profit cooperatives can also receive some government help. But not beyond the expense if the children were attending public school. Churches.... not so much. First of all, they already receive tax exemptions. If a church wants to have their own private school, fine. But no government funds should be used. And in all cases, minimum requirements must be met to ensure children don't lag behind.

I don't know why we would need to prioritize. Without diet and exercise, it would seem to me that health care is immensely more important. And as for healthcare being "too personal", I really don't see how an insurance corporation being in charge of our healthcare make it more "personal"

 

Yes, and all that is a matter for debate. What I actually worry about more than the merits of the things we debate is our inability to debate it and then move on when the matter is finally decided. Some on the right will never accept that Roe v. Wade is the law of the land, even though no less than the Republican appointed chief justice of the United States Supreme court says that it is.

Some on the left will never accept that Trump did not criminally collude with the Russians to queer the election, even though Mueller's Democrat-heavy team says he did not. Bill Maher and Stephen Colbert command more respect as legal experts than do Mueller and Barr. We've gone insane.

There's nothing to do but "retire to one's villa and write poetry."

 

Embarrassed I forgot that one!

 

we should have public colleges as well, if people can afford private, great, for the rest shoudl be public... society as a whole benefits from a more educated public

 

I do not understand why we con't conceal it though, carrying openly causes some people to enter fight or flight, concealed is the proper way to carry, should not have to ask permission to do so

 

Well, corporations do invade our privacy in order to know what to charge for health insurance. That's just sane business policy, and, more important, no corporation can bully you into buying its product.

 

Lately I don't see the value of any college degree unless it's in agronomy, physics, biology, chemistry, animal husbandry, accounting or engineering. Everything else is politicized and a matter of opinion. If you want to know about anthropology or lesbian dance, go to the library.

 

Well, then you are worried with the end of democracy, free press and liberty of expression. That has nothing to do with who healthcare or public education.

I'm not sure what relation that has to the rest. But all honest non-partisan justices should say the same. It is the law of the land until there is legislation that dictates otherwise. I for one would like to see legislation limiting (or defining) Roe v Wade in a sensible rational way, on the basis of scientific knowledge about the fetus. And many liberals and conservatives agree. I would dare say probably the majority on both sides of the debate.. But right-wing extremists has been blindly trying to repeal it, obfuscating any hope for a productive debate.

First of all, Barr has been proven to be a complete liar now that the report has been released.

But you are completely confused. The left has always been prepared to accept that Tump did not criminally collude with Russia. This is a myth created by the right. The left knows two things, that the Mueller report has now confirmed: 1- that Tump campaign operatives did collude, and Trump was in all likelihood aware of it.... which is not criminal, but is impeachable. And 2 that Trump obstructed the investigation.

The rest is made up crap by the right wingnut media.