Mueller Report

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  1. superbadbrutha

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    You have already been shown, you like most Trumpers are in denial.
     
  2. struth

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    Show me where he concluded a crime?
     
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    Trump can't force Democrats to work with him.
     
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    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He whines to much. It’s getting old. The only crime either Clinton has been indicted for were the Lewinsky deal. Trump is on the record supporting both Clintons until he ran against Hillary. All of the puzzagate murder crap you fools believe has been manufactured by political enemies. Trump acts like he’s the first guy whoever got investigated and accused of crap after being elected President. Clinton had the GOP hatchet crew up his ass the day he got into office and he kept his trap shut, did his job, worked across the aisle with some of the hatcheteers then completed his second term with a 65% approval rating. Trump should quit crying and try to match that record.
     
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    Then you didn't read the report

    He VERY CLEARLY said he followed guidance of the OLC that he could not indict Trump. He then VERY CLEARLY said that Congress could impeach him, and that he would "not have immunity after leaving office"
     
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    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He needs to take a leadership role on Healthcare and propose something that can get support from both sides of the aisle. That’s how a real leader would do it. Reagan did it with Tip O’Neill and Clinton did it with Newt Gingrich. Time for Trump to quit crying like a beotch and man up.
     
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    All true, but if and when that happens, he will be attacked for some reason. The plan will be called Islamophobic, or something.
     
  8. jack4freedom

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    Welcome to politics post Watergate....No place for thin skinned sissies....He will be attacked by news buzzards and loudmouthed opposition politicians until long after he is out of office...Look at Clinton, Bush and Obama...Acting as if he’s the first guy that is feeling the heat of the office is laughable... He needs to quit crying and man up.
     
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    Who asked for an indictment? Where did he say he found a crime and where did he recommend impeachment?
     
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    Clinton was impeached for felony perjury and obstruction of justice that then Special Counsel recommended after the investigation.
     
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    Democrats that say he obstructed justice because he "wanted" to fire Mueller....but he didn't.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We get our news outside of the "leftwing media". (though we monitor them to see what their up to)
     
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    I know, and it took 6 years to trap him into it. Kelleyanne Conway’s husband represented the hick woman who sued Clinton and Clinton lied in a chickenshit civil case about having a consensual sex with Lewinsky. It took 6 years of political witch hunting by partisan hacks to get there. It’s early in the game for Trump. I am sure that if they keep digging they might get something even juicier against Trump. That’s the way the game is played by both sides now. Get used to it.
     
  14. Thought Criminal

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    It would be great if you could stop focusing on him, and start focusing on us.
     
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    The lawsuit wasn’t about Monica but sexual harassment of woman that worked for him. He apparently continued that behavior as president. I’m surprised you insult his victims. It was the MO of the Dems to attack his victims. The lawsuit continued because of his stonewalling and fighting everything to the scotus
     
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    Propaganda Alert!
     
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    Says the guy who doesn't seem to care if the Russians interfered in our election. When are you going to care about this country?
     
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    No, he said he wouldn't draw a conclusion. How many times do you have to see the same Mueller quotes before it sinks in?
    Propaganda Alert!
     
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    You go ahead and keep your head buried in that sand.....
     
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    Wouldn’t draw? Same as not reaching one...
     
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    Maybe I missed it, can you provide the page number?
     
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    Have any of you actually read the redacted Mueller report. The blissful ignorance on this forum would indicate that none of you have made the effort!
     
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    Your a big boy. You know what it said.

    Because Mueller believes in the law, he accepted the OLC’s guidance that he could not indict a sitting president. So how again is that NOT finding a case for obstruction. But you knew that, your just being obtuse.

    So since you want to play word games. Show me where he said he found no evidence of obstruction. Or better yet, show me where he said he said he “exonerated” the president on boast ruction.......Go ahead, I’ll wait.
     
  24. LangleyMan

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    I quoted the Mueller Report. Here it is, again...

    Mueller wrote in his report where he explained why he wouldn't indict a sitting President. Mueller was setting out why he made this choice:

    "Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President's conduct. The evidence we obtained about the President's actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment. At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."​

    Mueller explained on Volume II, p. 2 why he believes indicting a sitting President is unfair:

    "Third, we considered whether to evaluate the conduct we investigated under the Justice Manual standards governing prosecution and declination decisions, but we determined not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the President committed crimes. The threshold step under the Justice Manual standards is to assess whether a person's conduct 'constitutes a federal offense.' U.S. Dep't of Justice, Justice Manual§ 9-27. (2018) (Justice Manual). Fairness concerns counseled against potentially reaching that judgment when no charges can be brought. The ordinary means for an individual to respond to an accusation is through a speedy and public trial, with all the procedural protections that surround a criminal case. An individual who believes he was wrongly accused can use that process to seek to clear his name. In contrast, a prosecutor's judgment that crimes were committed, but that no charges will be brought, affords no such adversarial opportunity for public name-clearing before an impartial adjudicator.

    The concerns about the fairness of such a determination would be heightened in the case of a sitting President, where a federal prosecutor's accusation of a crime, even in an internal report, could carry consequences that extend beyond the realm of criminal justice.
    OLC noted similar concerns about sealed indictments. Even if an indictment were sealed during the President's term, OLC reasoned, 'it would be very difficult to preserve [an indictment 's] secrecy,' and if an indictment became public, '[t]he stigma and opprobrium" could imperil the President's ability to govern.' Although a prosecutor's internal report would not represent a formal public accusation akin to an indictment, the possibility of the report's public disclosure and the absence of a neutral adjudicatory forum to review its findings counseled against potentially determining 'that the person's conduct constitutes a federal offense.' Justice Manual §9-27."​

    You don't have to agree with what Mueller did, but he has explained what he did and why he did it.
     
  25. LangleyMan

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    Some of us have. What's your point?
     

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