Venezuela: A Coup Strategy of Terror

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  1. Horhey

    Horhey Well-Known Member

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    Elliott Abrams style.



    A handful of Venezuelan military officials were paid off by the US and ordered soldiers to open up a prison in Carracas and arm the inmates to use against other Venezuelans. When some of soldiers realized they had been duped by their superiors they walked away.

    Also, when Venezuelan law enforcement fired tear gas into a crowd of Guaidó supporters, the soldiers that were there returned fire with live rounds.

    As a reminder.

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    Then there's this as a possible next step.

    Exclusive - Blackwater founder's latest sales pitch: mercenaries for Venezuela - Reuters

     
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    Horhey Well-Known Member

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    It is the doctrine guiding US policy both at home and abroad. What US elites term "democracy" and what the US is trying to install in Venezuela. Much like in Haiti, Colombia, Honduras, and other US dependencies.

     
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    If I were Venezuelan I would be participaing in armed revolution. But I am not, so they can do whatever they like, haa nothing to do with me.
     
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    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why do all the evil countries support the current Venezuelan government in power?

    China, North Korea, Iran, Russia, South Africa, Syria, Cuba ...
     
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    The US supports 73% of the world's dictators. Because of propaganda, a handful of governments is all you know of.

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    https://truthout.org/articles/us-pr...tance-to-73-percent-of-world-s-dictatorships/

    There's really no excuse for ignorance on these issues. You have access to the internet.
     
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    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It still comes down to good vs. evil. And the Venezuelan allies are the bad guys. Evil despots. No freedom. Totalitarians.
     
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    Yup. Good vs evil. One of your good guys.

     
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    Your problem is in seeing the other countries as 'evil'. In Jungian terms that is projecting your shadow, the dark part of your self or in this case the dark part of your country onto the other. This is similar to dehumanisation and allows you to act towards the other in a way which otherwise would not be possible and ignore the 'evil' of your own county.

    With respect to the chopping off of heads in the video, it comes closer to home. Elliiott Abrams was supporting in Latin American. I think it was Guatemala, those who were chopping off the heads and cutting out the entrails of civilians. I've seen videos of the aftermath.

     
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    Nazi Germany was evil. Am I projecting? Or am I accurate?

    Ditto Venezuela. China. NK.
     
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    Clean your own house first. Where you have some ability to change things. Where you have some responsibility. There's nothing wrong with a foreign policy of cooperation.
     
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    They did 'evil' things. The US has done 'evil' things and I thinking at the moment of the way it tested the effects of nuclear weapons on civilians without their knowledge. I am not sure exactly what 'evil' things the Venezuelans have done but if I was to use the word evil in this instance, no the US is the 'evil' one. The US is the aggressive one and causing the death of thousands of Venezuelans because they believe that is what will make the Venezuelans allow what will in effect be Colonial rule from the US. A country which for its own financial benefit is taking actions which kill civilians in the other country in the tens of thousands as the US is doing has to be the one in the wrong. You call a country which does wrong, evil. Hence by your standards the US is an evil country.

    Prior to 9/11 in the UK if there was an issue somewhere we looked to see where the problem was with a view to sorting it. We did not call people evil. We did not call countries evil. I will say that again, we did not call people or countries evil. That was the first thing I noticed after 9/11, our country, Tony Blair I think, started calling the people who had committed this act evil and since then the United Kingdom and the USA have worked on destroying the ME, making up lies to justify doing this, resulting in millions of dead and tens of millions of refugees, but you see no wrong doing in that.

    I do not know where you get this idea from. Evil is of course in Christianity, I think all the Abraham faiths. It speaks of people who are so despicable that there is nothing one can do to them which is too bad. It dehumanises them as I said. It allows Governments to do whatever it wants with countries or religions which have been termed evil. It stops populations having empathy for other civilians and stopping their Governments from acting inhumanely. You do not judge what you do wrong. You allow your own country to support the cutting off of children's head because they belong to the side the US says is evil. You allow your country to starve to death or not allow medicine to young children so that they die and you call them evil. Your calling of a country evil is in reality you giving to yourself the right to be evil....and yes it is used as a projection to keep the uneducated quiet while their country acts inhumanely. These people, that country is evil. We may do anything we want to them. They no longer are human beings. They are evil. The Nazis may be an example of a people doing that to another people but anyone who calls another people evil and acts on it is no different to them.
     
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    No country is perfect. No men are perfect.

    But the U.S. wears the white hats a higher percentage of the time than any other country.
     
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    The US, 'the most warlike country in the history of the world'. No, doesn't come near.
     
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    We are generally isolationist. We had to be dragged (kicking and screaming) into WW I and WW II.

    Americans think the rest of the world sucks. We want nothing to do with it.
     
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    One can only that what you say is true. But I fear America isn't heroic enough any more to do the right thing...and put a bullet threw Maduro’s empty skull, and open the country up to capitalism. I don't think America even knows what capitalism is anymore,.
     
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    You are imperialists and act as such. You also are coming to the end of your time of Imperialism and appear to be acting as is common when this is happening, somewhat crazily. I would say you are a democracy largely in name only which possibly lets you off the hook a bit. The US have done some atrocious things/crimes against humanity. I doubt all in the US are as Nationalistic as you think. Enjoy your day. ;)
     
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    I wrote much of this history in Wikipedia. It begins:
     
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    Wacko.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I refer you to my earlier posts. You have not been able to reply to them. I have made my point and need say no more.
     
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    that's a very simplistic view... it's about power, domination, resources, control, money, wealth...it's not about good and evil
     
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    What do you mean open the country up to capitalism. You can own a store, a factory, a house a car, what can't a capitalist do but own mineral rights? You can even open a bank.
     
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    Yeah. Lenin had to, waiting line to get toilet paper, but you can own a car. LOL.
     
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    What Venezuela is learning the hard way:

    Ayn Rand: “If the rest of them can survive only by destroying us, then why should we wish them to survive? . . . Nothing can make it moral to destroy the best. One can't be punished for being good. One can't be penalized for ability.”
     
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    What venezuela is learning that it doesn't matter if you gave free heating oil to the northeast US for ten years for low income people. YOu nationalize the oil companies the US will put sanctions on you to strangle your economy.
    We are telling them how to play their own game in their own ballpark. Do you think the citizens there don't know that it is the sanctions that is causing all the grief there?

    Capitalism is the best way to make the most amount of wealth. They will play with socialism and they will fail, and become more capitalistic. What the citizens of that country wont forget is how we interfered in their country. We go up in arms over 400 worth of facebook ads but look what we are doing there.
     

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