Sweden: 58 per cent of convicted rapists are foreign-born

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  1. VotreAltesse

    VotreAltesse Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trying to make diversion ?
     
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    got a problem that I note the kettle is blacker?
     
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    I see the behaviour of immigrants with my own eyes on a daily basis. If there isn't a cop behind every bush with a clip-board jotting down every nasty immigrant aggression against the Swedish population I don't give a shyt. I know what is going on even if the newspapers don't print it.
     
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    I don't rape people, so no, the kettle isn't blacker. You're just trying to make diversion of the rape epidemic. And please, don't change the topic with the problems within the catholic church. I'm starting to be used to your arguing strategy, and I can answer you right now : the rape in the catholic church doesn't justify the case of telford/köln/rotherham or the over representation of foreigners in the conviction for rape in Sweden.
     
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    Aha.. lol. Well I responded to your claim of a lot of muslims see kufr women. You got any source of how much that "a lot" is? You aware that native Swedes, when asked directly, that half of them would employ a native Swede over a Muslim? Discrimination is just raving like hell there.

    It most certainly is. Because... let's bring in the freaking Catholic Church! Yes. I read you don't want that, but censuring what to compare with is the only way you can keep up with that sham that Muslims are worse.
     
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    That's the normal thing, they share the same culture, understand each other in a better way. A native swede remain a native swede, an arab remain an arab, they're like water and oil, you can as much as you want try to mix each other, they will remain separated, their identity is too different. Everybody prefer their own group, whatever the group is, a leftist would prefer to remain with leftists, a right winger with right winger, a black with black, a white with white, a catholic with catholic and so on. Multiculturalism is like communism, a stupid utopia failed to fail in blood and violence.
    There is no poll asking "do you see kufr especially white women as piece of meat". You just have to watch what happened in telford, köln or in the street of europe daily.
     
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    The queen of Jordan... who is a Sunni and is "sharing" the same values of Sunni Islam that's in Saudi Arabia. Sure. Sounds more like an extremist ranting utter nonsense in order to justify to discriminate around as it pleases.


    So you're just making up a hate speech about Muslims. got it.
     
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    It's just an invidivual. Individual doesn't matter only the bigger trends. I never pretended that all individuals were like that.

    I never pretended it was all of them or even the majority, I just said "a lot". There is enough muslims which has 0 respect for white kufr women to create troubles.
    If Sweden had much more stricter migration laws, a lot of those rape would have never happened, because the offender would have simply never let them him.
     
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    The queen in not just an individual, but shows the world what the culture of their country is by being married to the head of state who is a king with little to no democracy to speak off. And your claim they share the same culture as in Saudi Arabia, is just pathetic. You can not defend that nonsense.

    I asked you to source that "a lot" and you admitted you're just making it all up.
    Wouldn't be the first poster to flame fake news in a hate speech.
    Wouldn't be the last.
     
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    First, you're quoting a country, Jordania, which is reputed to be moderated. It's not a big secret that often the elite of some countries are more westernized than the rest of the people. So yes, you're picking a very specific indivual which isn't representative of the whole islamic/arabic world.

    I already sourced some elements related to it, pakistanis grooming gangs, telford, rotherham, köln new year celebration.
    And mostly a knowledge that you don't find in newspapers, but just by living in contact to the cultural enrichment day to day.
     
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    You claimed they were basically all alike. And I proved you being just dead wrong.
    You lost this. Stop embarrassing yourself even further.

    You got nothing about the community as a whole. Absolutely nothing.
     
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    Sounds like we got a person who is happy that half of Sweden is very open with discriminating Muslims on the jobmarket.
    To than complain... why are there so many of them on welfare? They must be lazy etc.
     
  13. VotreAltesse

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    No, I just pretended that the west and muslims can't coexist because they're like water and oil. I pretended also that it's not abnormal to prefer people of your own ethnic group/community. I don't care of the specific cases, the bigger picture is the only thing interesting. So yes, there is some cases of westernized arabs/muslims, but who care of the specific cases ? The bigger picture is that people don't mix.

    I don't care of that, I just see that hundred members of my ethnic group, the gauls, would be alive if we didn't let that massive migration policy, that hundred of underage girls wouldn't have suffered sexual slavery in telford and rotherham if the UK had more strict migration policy, that nobody would be afraid to be shot for some cartoons in my country and so on. A lot of lives wouldn't have be broken and we wouldn't be on the path of civil war.
     
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    You claimed:
    it's not a big secret that a lot of muslims see kufr women, especially white women as piece of meat

    And you admitted you made it up. You're just vomiting fake news hate speeches here, champ.
    You also blatantly lied the Muslims share the same values. You belong on Stormfront, where they believe that bs.
     
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    You have not established that "half of Sweden is very open with discriminating Muslims on the jobmarket". Prove it's true first then I will think about it and tell you if I "am happy" with it.
    That is twice in one post you have put your words in my mouth. If you are unable to discuss a subject in fairness and honesty then don't bother responding to my posts.
     
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    Yes, and I wrote "a lot" and not "all". If I wanted to wrote "all the muslims", I would have wrote "all the muslims", if I wanted to wrote "most of them" or "the majority", I would have chosen those words, but I choose the words "a lot".

    You claim I said they were "all alike", I never used anything refering to the majority or all of the muslims, I just refered to the fact they were "a lot". I'm not the one lying here, you're the one which try to make me says things I didn't said.

    I never admitted I made it up, I live in contact of the diversity day to day, so I have informations that you won't find in newspaper, just by observing what happen in the streets. Strangely, even leftists tend to worry more their female friends/sisters/girlfriends when they go around culturally enriched districts. How strange it is, their little multiculturalism dream can't go in harmony with the reality of the field.

    From what I heard of stormfront, it's white supremacist and neo nazis, I'm neither of those things. Xenophobic yes, isolationnist yes, islamophobic yes, ethnic nationalist yes,white supremacist (for obvious reasons) or nazi, no.

    Anyways, you won't change some facts, foreign born people are over represented in conviction of rape in Sweden,
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia_in_Sweden
    When employers were directly asked whether they prefer native Swedish to Arab-Muslim males when hiring staff, "half of them said they did so."
     
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    And it's not based on anything.
    You're made fake news and combined it with hate speech, champ.

    You wrote "they share the same culture".... and that claim is just stupid beyond believe.

    Biggest foreign born group in Sweden are Yugoslavs.
     
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    I just sourced how the Swedes are very open with discriminating Muslims, that indeed half of them would do that.

    As for you last comment: reported for it's utterly racist content.
     
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    You're blind or ? I already said that's based on my personnal experience, personnal experience that could be illustrated with more famous facts as mass sexual assault at the new year of Köln or Telford/Rotherham. So yes it's based on many things.

    "They" refered to the swedes in that sentence. Furthermore, I could says the same thing about french and russian which share the same christian-european culture, it doesn't change there is massive differences between a french and a russian, it doesn't change they share the same culture.
    In the same way, many countries share the same islamo-arabic culture which doesn't prevent many differences to exist in those countries.
    Even in a same country/region, people may differ massively.

    I will let you read the chart in the bbc article :
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45269764
    Sweden and other european countries represent 416 of the cases on the 843 convicted offenders. Basically, sweden and other european represent the half of the rape despite being the vast majority.
    Despite being a tiny minority, middle east and northern africa achieve to be 25 % of those case, the rest of the cultural enrichment is from southern africa and "other". It's not very clear if they classified Afghanistan as "middle east", which would be a weird definition of the middle east, because it's mentionned that afghanistan alone represented a signification proportion of rapes with 45 of them.

    So no, it's not the problem of the yugoslavian.
     
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    Islam incorporates the supposed inferiority of women tight in its holy book the Qu'ran. Sura 4:34 says "Men have authority over women because Allah has made one superior to the
    other, and because they spend their property for the support of women . So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear
    rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and whip them. " Islam also mandates that a woman's testimony is to be considered only half as valuable as a man's in legal cases
    (Qu'ran 2:232). This makes it almost impossible for a Muslim woman to successfully pursue a rape casse. The Qu'ran further states that a son should inherit twice as much as a daughter
    (Qu'ran 4:11).

    Elaborating on Qu'ran 4:34 quoted above, on October 26, 2006, Iranian Grand Ayatollah Makarem Shirazi issued a fatwa - a Muslim religious edict - saying that if wives were
    disobedient, it is acceptable to hit them. The Ayatollah said that women "are masochistic and sometimes they have a crisis and need light physical punishment to get back to normal."
    By normal he means cowed and afraid. In Islam the inferiority of women is a given precept of their religion, and to admit women are equal is to reject the Qu'ran and Islam.These
    attitudes lead to 'Honor Killings' and wife beating. In 2008, Amnestty International estimated that 90% of wives in Pakistan had been abused by their husbands. On November 7, 2006,
    my local newspaper, The Saratogian, carried a story about a study made by Human Rights Watch among Palestinian women in the West Bank and Gaza. They found that 23% of the
    women they asked admitted to having been physically abused by their husbands. Fully two-thirds said they had been subjected to psychological abuse. We can be sure the numbers
    are higher than those willing to admit it.
     
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    You really got nothing anything remotely to some kind of poll. Hence it simply is fake news and hate speech.

    Fine... you wrote share the same culture. You're nitpicking, while it remains you're just making it all up.
    You're just humiliating yourself with posting that kind of stupidity.

    Just a problem with:
    "We are very clear in the programme that it is a small percentage of the people coming from abroad who are convicted of rape," He pointed out that the number of reported rapes in Sweden was far higher, so no conclusions could be drawn on the role of immigrants in sexual attacks.


    It's beyond obvious you're just cherry picking from a source, to than rant your hate speech and add fake news.
     
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    No, observation from the day to day life, not everything is on the internet

    Yes two ethnic swedes share the same culture, and I will never change my mind on that.
    Arabo-muslims share a common culture aswell even if there is variation on that, and there is nothing humiliating to state the obvious.

    I already answered on that : it's the conclusion of the chief editor, not mine. Extra european migrants represent half of the rape convictions, so yes, he don't want to go to conclusions, personnaly I do. Half of the women raped would have avoided some major trauma if Sweden would have been more isolationnist.
     
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    If her body's not all wrapped up in a black sheet, they view her as a whore.

    Especially European women, which are known to sleep around with many different men before marriage (if they ever get married at all). They're almost "fair game".

    That's how it is in the culture of much of the Middle East.
     
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    You wrote one thing but quoted another thing. In other words, you contradicted yourself. In fact, you posted at least 3 untruths in one post.

    As they say in America, "Whatever".
     

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