Ukraine enters uncharted waters after comedian wins presidency

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  1. Thedimon

    Thedimon Well-Known Member

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    Exactly!
    Almost everything she/it posts has no substance and backup from credible sources. So, why even try to have a discussion with someone who can’t back up their own claims? It’s like wasting your own time by arguing with a 10 year old child.
     
  2. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I realize my knowledge of Ukraine is limited, so I am open to a logical discussion - but I haven't found it. Instead of substance, I find some posters resort to ad hominin attacks either on me personally or on the source of my information. Because of this, I must assume they have an ulterior objective that is not open to discussion.

    Ad hominim attack - Ad hominem, short for argumentum ad hominem, is a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby genuine discussion of the topic at hand is avoided by instead attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Russia is dependent on the 'Shia' crescent that runs from Syria to Iran as protection from the jihadists from the Gulf states. The Federations Republics such as Chechnya consists of moderate Sunnis, as do the countries on their southern flanks. Moscow had enough problems during the Chechnya wars with CIA embedded terrorists, so Syria is a matter of survival for them. What are we doing there?
     
  4. Pollycy

    Pollycy Well-Known Member

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    What do they pay you, Dimmy? Oh, also, please tell me how I can get on that 'gravy-train' payroll. Sounds like it must be an easy job to get if they hire the likes of you.... Do they pay you by the post, or by the number of replies to your posts?
     
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    If you are indeed a welder, then at least that aspect of you earns my sincere respect. A good welder is a person whose skills should be highly prized. I've known a couple of good industrial welders through the years... they both worked in different sections of the "oil patch" of the Permian Basin, in West Texas and around Clovis, New Mexico. Their work was very demanding, but they made it look easy, and both were true experts.

    I also knew one fellow here in Colorado who was so subtle and gentle in his welding technique that he made it an 'art-form'. Very high quality repairs, too, that were almost undetectable. When I cross paths with you here in the Forum, I'll try to remember you as "the welder". I really don't enjoy disliking people, believe it or not....
     
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    Your insights into Eastern Europe, including Ukraine and Russia have greatly interested me through the years, and the post above has brought a new revelation that NEVER occured to me at all -- that "Porky" Poroshenko was trying to leverage popularity in the national election by involving the Orthodox Church! As an American, and as a "Westerner", I tend to have a blind-spot about religion in several regions in the world, and evidently this is yet another one in which I have missed totally the powerful influence that religion has in politics.

    We're all aware of the insanely totalitarian, cruel influence of Islam in countries that are dominated by "devout" Muslims, but the force and effect of different religions on the populations of other countries can be very powerful, and, even beneficial if it is not hateful, corrosive, and dictatorial.

    I do agree with you 100%, for reasons having nothing whatever to do with religion, that Ukraine will split up. I would think that after the events of 2014 it is inevitable.

    Personally, I don't care what Ukrainains do, very honestly. I wish them no ill-will, and I can hope that they enjoy their lives in peace and prosperity. I have known for many years that they have been treated like vassal 'playthings' by the International Monetary Fund (IMF), and various international banking cartels, including the European Central Bank, in these bankers' quests for power and control over the entire country. It all began right after the fall of the Soviet Union, as I'm sure you know.

    Perhaps the "question behind the question" is: what will happen in both Russia AND Ukraine after Putin is gone...? I no longer have access to the little information 'pipelines' I used to have, and at this point I have no idea who will take over in Russia after Putin, except that I don't believe it can be Dmitry Medvedev, unless Putin puts a great deal more "flesh on his bones" first!

    Putin still has at least another ten years left in him, though, and I do feel that the eastern half of Ukraine will unite with Russia before then....
     
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    You are neither, Boris!
     
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    Yet, no proof of anything you wrote.
    Boris, stop coming to work after a night of heavy drinking. Concentrate!
     
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    Funny my daughter asked me the same thing about Putin and who will come after him. I believe he started preparing for it years ago by suggesting the governors should read books by three well known philosophers/theologians during their holidays. He also paid special attention to students since they haven't had the experiences their parents had in the 90's.

    Lavrov is brilliant, but I can't see him as a president. I do see the Minister of Defense Shoigu as being strong and capable. Of course he's getting old too, so who knows?
     
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    Where's those videos Jenny?

    Navalny will be next Russki president.
     
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    Sergey Shoygu is very powerful, and very intelligent -- a born 'survivor'.

    Alexander Bortnikov, who as you know runs the FSB, is almost frighteningly intelligent and the extent of his power can only be imagined, but he's an old guy, too. Still, this "Troika" of Putin-Shoygu-Bortnikov could easily still be running the Russian Federation for another ten years. There's no doubt in my mind that they will all still be in power when 'Eastern Ukraine' becomes part of the Russian Federation in every sense.

    Please, can you tell us which philosophers/theologians' works Putin had recommended to the governors? I didn't know about this, and I'd like to read what he recommended to them myself! Thank you.
     
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    LOL....East Ukraine becomes part of RF.....you got proof of this Vyacheslav?.....been talking to Strelkov/Girkin? You know for a fact what people's in East Ukraine are thinking?

    What else will become "Russki federation" property? Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Eastern Poland?

    Maybe the few Eskimos in Alaska who observe orthodox Xmas will need some "saving":roflol:.....I'll hazard a guess in 20 yrs RF will cease to exist....and the Russki language as it's known will be nothing more than some remote village dialect.


    Are you and Jenny babe cubicle colleagues by some chance....maybe you can post vids of Ukranian refugees in Poland....seems Jenny got a little snippy with me and is giving me the cold shoulder.
     
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  13. Jeannette

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    The names are Berdyaev, Solovyev, Ilyin. From what I read, they were highly respected outside Russia as Philosophers/Theologians until 2014 when they became demonized because Vladimir Putin favored them and were turned into 'nationalists' and 'fascists' .

    Here are some articles:

    https://consortiumnews.com/2015/03/27/distorting-putins-favorite-philosophers/

    http://katehon.com/510-distorting-putins-favorite-philosophers.html
     
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    Comrade Jeannette-ova.....where's those videos?
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I just read that Guiliani cancelled his trip to Ukraine to investigate Biden's son and Burisma Holdings. He said they are not friends of the US. He chickened out and to be honest I thought it was quite brave for him to go there. Maybe he was warned.

    Burisma Holdings according to Robert Parry of Consortiumnews is owned by Ihor Kolomoisky who is under suspicion for the burning and hacking of civilians in Odessa as well as the shoot down of the airliner. A reporter said he has a shark tank in his office, and when he was there he pressed a button and food dropped into the tank as a warning. I'm not joking.

    Here's a Russian prankster interviewing a drunken Kolomoisky:

     
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    If you call Chechen wars a Russia's aggression, then you should call "Georgia conflict" the Georgia's aggression, don't you think so? Because Georgia started military action against South Ossetia, not Russia against Georgia. So, if you suppose Russia can make "aggression" against its internal part - Chechnya, then you should use the same approach to Georgia, which made aggression against it's the then internal part - South Ossetia.
     
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    Where's the videos....comrade Hillary Zacharova?
     
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    Thank you for this information! I have studied just enough about Vladimir Putin, and Russian history, to know that it is a deep, vast, labyrinthine study, indeed. I'll be honest enough to admit that I had never heard of Berdyaev, Solovyev, and Ilyin before. We Americans can be rather one-dimensional and myopic, as you have seen....
     
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    Poles make a good point here. World without problems.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I only know of them from the articles and the demonizing. Mercouris of the Duran said that it's doubtful that Vladimir Putin would have had the time or the inclination to have read them since they are very deep, but his advisors would have. I know that the philosopher and political scientist Alexander Dugan had written a book about a 4th political system which will respect the innate differences existing between cultures, while at the same time incorporate parts of the three other systems.

    Although I haven't read the book, I tend to agree with the basic concept. I don't believe in imposing one set of standards on others as if those standards are superior to the standards of others. Every culture and people have something to contribute to the world and to force one set whether its Western liberalism or Islam is an imprisonment of mankind. The exception of course are the Christian morals and values which are universal and are part of our world system today.

    I know Russia because I have a passion for history, especially the Romonovs. I had written a book on a Russian saint because no one knew anything about her and were forming opinions that were a little off considering the era that she lived in. I delved into my books and solved the mystery. It turns out there was a cover up by the palace because her husband died at one of Peter III's drunken parties. I even wonder if this might have been the cause of Peter III being overthrown in favor of his wife Catherine the Great? But that's only a assumption on my part.

    I ended up on the Pravda forum when searching for information about the anti Jewish sentiments in Moscow at the time Grand Duke Sergius was assassinated. What Sergius was accused of doing was way out of character, especially considering the humanity shown the assassin by his wife the future Saint Elizabeth, since it's what her husband would have wanted.

    When that forum shut down, (as it should have since it was poorly monitored), I came to this one. When the press began the demonizing of Assad to destroy Syria, (the only tolerant leader in the Middle East) I realized that Washington had gone off the wall. I was very naïve up until then.
     
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    When Kolomoisky said they wanted to shoot down one plane and hit another what did he mean? The only other plane or planes would have been the Ukrainian jets, or did he mean the plane Putin was flying in when coming back from Brazil? Putin's plane was the same size and color as the Malaysian airliner, and it was in the vicinity at about the same time as the airliner. It was also going towards the Russian military airport, which again would have been where a Russian government plane would have headed.
     
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    Where's the videos Jenny?
     
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    Indeed ... at least at both the same situation and circumstances. Both Georgia and Chechnya are concerned with a population group / region that wants / wanted to have their independence. And we can extend that to many other examples ... the Kurds in northern Iraq, the Kurds in northern Syria, the Catalans in Spain, the Russians in Ukrainian Donbass ... only to name some further, and I mean that now completely neutral, so no matter whether justified or not!
     
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    Don't waste time being nice to this guy, polly. I'd bet my last nickel that zoomcopter and thedimon are actually one and the same person. But whether its one jerk or two one thing is for sure, if you keep looking down your nose at the Russians because you think they are so backward, the next thing you might be looking down is an ICBM missile with a hydrogen bomb on the end of it. I've read your posts where you said you have never met a Jew that was stupid. Well I have never met a Russian that was stupid. They are smart and tough. A leader like Putin is the best news they have had in their history but it is the worst news for us.
     
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