As I warned, CAPITALISM cannot compete with Communism, and heres why.

I have been writing OPs about this subject for years, to no avail.

We cannot compete, with communist countries, as in OUR system, the business owner makes due with what they can afford, and EVERY payment for capital equipment, is a potential killer. They could go bust on one item alone, or several.

But in the Communist country, they do things different. They have subsidy outright. they have technology centers, that share the workload of the entire country, with STATE OF THE ART, and economy of scale.

They can operate to harm humans and or the environment, and no one says a word.

These, are the points, that Trump intends to be the hill we are ready to die on. We intend to THREATEN China into stopping all subsidy of industry. So that we can compete.

They will not, and even SHOULD not, as if they are superior, then they should be superior.
And we certainly think WE are superior.


We have armed forces, that INSIST our WAY, is superior, or else.

So, we, CAPITALIST societies, had BEST find ways of boosting industry to keep it competitive. AS simply hoping for the best, and taking on payments that threaten your company, cannot compete with Communism, or even deeper states of Socialism.

It does no use, to puff out our chests at how we are the pinnacle of humanity and productivity, when leaving our industry to scrap for all its equipment, is NOT going to do it.

Even if the fantasy of events follow the Trump dream. And TOOLING UP, will cost a FORTUNE, as we have dismantled all our facilities, and lost our bearings, in tech.

Those carrying the CAPITALISM banner, with religious conviction, ARE the problem with our competitiveness in the new reality.

 

I watch CGTV from 1 to 3 times per week. This tells us what China wants us to know. They admit to having financial problems. They want Growth of the economy more than we want ours to grow. But They do not badmouth Trump as Americans badmouth the man. What alarms me is how the same people badmouthing Trump refused to badmouth Obama. And there was a man that stood tall for our Foreign neighbors.

 

Find any collusion yet?

 

Yeah, all those state of the art buildings in North Korea...,,where the President has to travel by train...

 

The amount of nonsensical bilge in this post is beyond my ability to laugh unroariously

 

Capitalism. Venezuela wants some.

 

What kind of communism are you referring to here? Is it the kind where the government decides your career for you? I'm not gonna say some aspects of it dint work, they do, but freedom is more important IMO

 

PSEUDOCAPITALIST Communism, is the one I am discussing.


And competing against them, is not WANTING TO BE THEM. We STILL have to compete, EVEN if WE have decided that FREEDOM is moar important.

 

I never tire of having to remind folks that leeching never actually ever produces anything new. You can direct folks to create, that doesn't incentivize them to do so. Ask why the Chinese have had to rely on corporate espionage for decades to even attempt to become competitive. And at the same time, the underlying creativity of those "things" that were created is only possible if you steal it from others.

 

You are fooliing yourself, as you are full of yourself. They stole, to SPEED UP the learning curve. NOW, they don't need the crutch. WE DO.

 

There's no doubt you need crutches.

 

Is this a troll post? I mean the reason there is "PSEUDOCAPITALIST" Communism is because communism does not work. Hell the only reason anyone on these boards has computers or the time to type on them is capitalism. Nothing baffles me more then people knocking the very system that allows them the capability to knock anything. We are in the most affluent and equal time in the history of the world. More people have been pulled out of poverty in this century then in any other century in history and now we are going to backslide?

No, maybe a new form of economics will be created for the automated world we are heading to but Communism is not coming back and that is a good thing.

 

The USSR, Cuba, Mao's China, Vietnam, they were the hot bed of technological leaps and advancements and ingenuity. all thru the 70s, 80s, 90s, and 2000s their cars, their computers, wow just, how ever did we compete./sarcasm

Unless they could steal our technology, pirate our products, and make counterfeit knock offs, they never produced anything worth a crap. Trump is trying to stop their unfair trade practices, stop the theft. Why is this so hard for the left, and the Trump haters to comprehend???

 

The communists have the bestest Potemkin villages, you have to admit that much.

 

The commies lost the Cold War.

Command economies never work. They’re terribly inefficient. The averages Cuban earns $20 per month!

I am so tired of leftist politics and economics.

 

You have been saying it for years and been proven wrong for years.

History proves you wrong conclusively

 

If I have been WRONG, then Trump is NOW wrong. As he too thinks that subsidy of Chinese industry by Gov is UNFAIR for us to have to compete against.

 

One has nothing to do with the other.

You are wrong and have been for years and that is proven.

your comparison is apples and oranges

 

You are wrong and have been for years and that is proven

Breaking news?

 

Few posters are old enough to have actually been behind the Iron Curtain. I spent two visits to the other side where you were actually pooping your pants. I know I should not have worried since I did get out alive. But dammit, i kept seeing Russian spies all over the place.

I managed to eat one meal in East Berlin and the best thing about the meal was due to the exchange rate, it damned near seemed free. A dollar then purchased 4 West German marks. Shaped about like a Quarter is. I exchanged one dollar for 16 Marks in East Berlin. So a meal for maybe 7 marks was actually a few cents of American money.

The food was not all that good. But I don't truly recall the specifics of that meal. Back in 1963 and in the Army, including my army pay that was dirt cheap, my income was about $1200 per month. I lived like a king with that kind of income. Travel was no problem.

Life in Communism was lousy. They really had to deal with armed troops roaming all over to capture them should they try to flee.

Think of your own town. Think of the Army having machine guns and watching you like a hawk on a nice Sunday. Would you want to live that way?

 

It's not just because Communist China has nationalized their industries and runs a brutal, authoritarian regime, it's that they are thieves, liars and violate their verbal and written agreements on a regular basis. China just refuses to stop stealing intellectual property. So to hell with them, they are only 13% of trade for the USA anyway.

 

It does work, but only when it's voluntary. IOW, when participants volunteer to sacrifice what they see as a minor freedom (choice of work) for something they regard as a major freedom (self-sufficiency, independence from 'the system').

 

I don't know where you're getting your information or what really you're getting at. China needs us we do not need China. China's economy depends on exports of cheaply made goods and early life cycle materials. There are many other nations that would love to sell to us things like steel and textiles. So we have the upper hand in any negotiations. We could just as easily do business with India.

I know that we're having a little bit of trouble right now with Chinese steel it's essentially the same thing that was going on in the us when our steel industry started to collapse. Manufacturers just refuse to make higher-quality so people buying steel for production purchased steal from other places.

 

If you're talking about China their system is a sort of fourth way. It leans quite closely to the fascist economics of old. Fuse state, corporate, and union power, subordinate all to the state.

I agree ir can be beneficial to simply by fiat keep a state run company in business irrespective of the financials - but going bust is a good thing sometimes, it lets more effective players and new technologies take over.

This is why the bailouts were such a bad idea. In their absence those banks would have gone bust, and been reorganised or supreceded by superior competition. Instead they got free ****.

 

In the interest of avoiding inconsistent definitions- let me own land, control my resources, trade and associate freely, defend myself from criminals and be equal with all others under the law, and I'll support whatever *ism you wanna call it.