No-deal Brexit

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  1. The Rhetoric of Life

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    Like 2% of GDP on defense to satisfy NATO, why can't Article 24 friction-less trade with European countries also mean it can be up to this time limit instead of within it?

    Surely Germany would understand such an approach if nobody else does.

    But you're right, UK could negotiate free trade within the allotted time if Trump pushes a US / UK trade deal through that UK accepts too.
     
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    Because if you read Article 124 and 125 again ... you will not wirte the nonsense we don't fullfill...

    And because if you will get in your head that the Wales agreement tells that these 2% should be fullfilled in 2024 and not now and that there is no special reason existing to do it now ... you will not come again and again with this rubbish
     
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    It's Article 24, and it's WTO, and it's what EU already signed up to under WTO terms for Friction-less trade in the event of no deal while UK finds free trade.

    Surely no one can be that stupid as to think the Lisbon Treaty has final say in a no deal Brexit. Merkel tried to get the EU27 to act as a bloc in 2016, but the deal fell through in Parliament in the UK, time to admit that there are other ways outside of the Lisbon treaty that undermine Merkel's fantasy.
    Remember, no deal Brexit will not mean all of a sudden trade with the EU will meet tariffs; Article 24 means the European countries have friction-less trade up to 10 years while we seek free trade of our own.

    I'm not saying it doesn't undermine the EU, because it does, I'm just saying, the EU really doesn't matter in the world and to suggest there will be tariffs before UK transitions would be discrimination against a country that leaves the EU in direct violation of Article 24 of the WTO treaty which comes into affect in the event of a no deal/Article 24 Brexit.

    I can't believe people think the EU is anything more than a trading deal within the WTO. It's not a country, it's not got final say, and there wouldn't be an EU if the EU didn't agree to WTO terms and conditions.

    The EU27 should view Article 24 exit as being able to leave the bloc without the loss of friction-less trade while the EU and it negotiates a new deal, one that doesn't have to accept things it doesn't want.
    Cherry picking if you will.
     
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    I still say the EU jumped to the head of the queue for a trade deal that failed 3 times, time for US / UK deal.

    When can the UK say NEXT
    ?

    It's USA's turn now, for example.
     
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    Because Australians routinely inject growth hormones into their cattle.
    If we decided (a bad idea) that we want to start importing hormone raised cattle into our market then our beef would be harder to sell in the EU.
    Doesn't matter whether we are in or out, the EU will remain our main export market.
     
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    And Australians look SO unhealthy? ;)
    If it's good enough for them, it's good enough for us.

    Ever notice how Americans also look healthier than us in Europe?
     
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    We should make British beef hormone injected, sell it to America and Australia.
    Why not?

    It's good enough for a steakhouse that offers 1 ounce steak.
     
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    Right... lower the quality of our product so we can sell it at a reduced price in an already over saturated beef market.
    Brexit economics everyone, a race to the bottom.
     
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    No.
     
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    Just look at a healthy young American and see how well fed they are compared to a healthy young and smaller European.
    Hormones in food isn't probably as gross as you make out.
    Sell that hormone beef to Brits in Tesco.
    We'd get to eat, and we'd get to be in a trade deal where we'd have to export our beef across the world; and maybe this beef with hormone phobia is what's wrong with the EU?
     
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    Then go to America, go to Australia, and see that in comparison, Europeans are smaller.
    Not enough hormones in our beef I tell ya.
    They're taller, stronger, fitter (and yes fatter too sometimes), and Europeans are smaller.
     
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    The young boys have larger breasts than Europeans.
    Do yourself a favour and read up on growth hormones in food.
     
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    Scary Hitler comparison at 5:24. @cerberus, you may find this entertaining! (or scary!)


     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't watch vids unless they're accompanied by a narrative from the poster.
     
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    well the narrative is that an EU representative basically became Hitler during a sitting and its quite scary.
     
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    Sorry if I sounded a bit intemperate Chris but my posting time is limited; I know you gave a time indicator, but I'd still have no idea how much longer it will take to watch the salient content. Thanks for the above and I'll watch it now . . .
     
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    Yeah, trust the BBC to take the opportunity to sneer at Farage re the milkshake assault; in some small-minded agenda they even included in their report the flavour and the cost of it. I'd even bet big money that the fat oaf who threw it was paid by the Tories or LibDems .Or even Labour. God how I loathe the BBC.

    The bit about May's deal was funny though:

    'I've got a deal,'
    'Have you - what is it?'
    'That we'll pay the EU £40m when we leave.' :roflol:
     
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    Which report?

    "We'll still be in the Burger King."
     
  21. The Rhetoric of Life

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    They're asking for near enough £40bn, not £40m, I believe.
     
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    Yes, @cerberus meant 40 billion, he was quoting from the above video PJW video which I posted. Did you see it?
     
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    I saw the quote but then I went to the source of the quote.... I quoted the source I found and yeah, never went deeper.
     
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    What was the source?
     
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    The thing I quoted.

    Does it matter?

    What matters is Boris bike Johnson's tipped to be the man to take UK to a no deal exit.
     

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