SEN. TOM COTTON: war with Iran would be just ‘two strikes’

You were responding to a Post that contained the following Poll & quote:

“81% of Americans Oppose $38 Billion Pledge to Israel”
http://original.antiwar.com/smith-grant/2016/09/19/81-americans-oppose-38-billion-pledge-israel/

EXCERPT “A solid majority of Americans would redirect $38 billion the Obama Administration pledged to Israel toward other priorities.

An IRmep poll fielded by Google Consumer Surveys reveals 80.8 percent of the US adult Internet user population says they would redirect the proposed spending toward other priorities.
- Caring for veterans (20.7 percent) was their top priority, followed by
- education spending (20.1 percent) and
- paying down the national debt (19.3 percent).
- Rebuilding US infrastructure was favored by 14.9 percent, while
- funding a Middle East peace plan received 5.8 percent of support.
- Only 16.8 percent said the $38 billion of pledged foreign aid should be spent on Israel.”
CONTINUED


Additionally, Netanyahu has made his sentiments concerning the one sided, US - Israel "alliance" perfectly clear:

Netanyahu: “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away”

http://web.archive.org/web/20060512...pecial_Reports/092105Madsen/092105madsen.html


On what basis do you dismiss “81% of Americans Oppose $38 Billion Pledge to Israel” as "fake news" & why does it matter when Netanyahu said “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away”?

Are you among the small minority that would rather give even more of America's resources to Israel rather than caring for US Veterans, funding America's schools etc?

 

1. Ok lets go back in and free the north Korean people.
No country has the right to be communist. Communism is evil.

2. The North Vietnamese attacked our ship. It was not a false flag. It was an insignificant attack but it was a north Vietnamese provocation.
We should have bombed china instead of North Vietnam though and we should have sunk Russian shipping trying to make it to their ports.
South Vietnam had a corrupt government but their people fled the north because they did not want to be communist. Too bad Congress at the time was a bunch of idiots and made the US leave and allow conmunists in the region to slaughter millions.

Cuba.. they were American supplied and trained Cuban refugees. Just like the Viet Cong. Only they were real patriots. You cannot be a patriotic communist the two terms are mutually exclusive. Also you cannot fight against communism and be wrong for doing it. Again communism is evil.

Lebanon, so what you are saying is we were doing the right thing? After all stopping the rise of radical muslim groups like Hezbollah and the PLO is a damn good thing.

Incompetence in Washington DC is more common than not on every issue. Thats why i am a small government conservative.
We need to gut the federal government and slash taxes.

Syria, it is never wrong to take out a brutal dictator. But if we were going to interject ourselves there then taking out that dictator is what we should have done.
Pusdyfooting around in other governments.
Either you go in and take care of things or you don't go in at all. Half measures are how people get killed for nothing.

It's going to take a very long time for the post colonial world to adjust to reasonable self rule. It's going to be a bloody long drawn out process.. maybe decolonization was a bad idea.?

 

I'd rather spend the money im America too. If the lowlife Arab nations would leave Israel and stop funding terrorists maybe we could do that..
Plus most Americans are misinformed and indoctrinated by the leftist media.

 

Lol ... no country has the right to be comunist? Says and decides who again?
Sure, they are governed by evil bastards ... but they are Chinas bastards and not yours and you are stikll status of war with them!

Very funne, one sided view and believing of proven American trash propaganda!
You know the Pentagon Papers, eh? Even MacNamara confirmed that there was no attack later ... and if not he as minister of defence at this time knows, who then please?
And sure ... you should have better started WW-3 and eleminated / nuking the complete planet ... and all for the support of a bloody bastard regime which had only 1 advantage: To be enemies of the Communist = the only reason why they were supported by the US!

And no ... it was the will of the majority of US people to get out of Vietnam and to follow the majortiy of the people is suddenly bad? Do you hate democracy in your country, of the majority decised in democratic was something, what you see otherwise, eh?

Sure ... could it be that you ar eone of these cold war dinosaurs? Otherwise I have no idea why you repeat ike a parrot the Ameircan cold war ballbering of partiots etc. ...

Only that this was not your official intention there ... to stop evil radical Muslims, because you called it Peace Keeping Mission and this was a label fraud!

And from what should your huge military being paid, eh? Not to tell all the other issue spaid with tax money?

OK ... than kcik the evil Saudi Royal Family out of power, because they are as evil as the Iran in matter of being Extrem Islamists ... and they are as evil as Assad in Yemen by supporting the local government there and bombing with intention hispitals and civilians. The only thing the Sudis not yet did but what is told Assd did is, to use poison gas too....

 

Correct no country has the right to impose communism on it's people.

The gulf of tonkin incident. 3 NV torpedo boats came out to chase the maddox away and the Maddox fired warning shots but the incompetent NV could only hit the Maddox with a machine gun, from which a slug was recovered from the ships superstructure.

The second incident is much more questionable.
It's however undeniable that the north vietnamese wanted to impose their will on the south. The South did not want to be communist that is why they resisted the murderers known as the Viet Cong.

And as you said with China. Diem might have been a bastard but he was south vietnam's bastard and none of the norths business..

No the majority of the people didn't want us out of Vietnam. As an example when Nixon was elected the majority of people approved of his efforts in Vietnam but because he was a Republican and was actually fighting the war the way it needed to be faught in the mid 60s Congress took away his money.


slashing taxes will increase government revenue.
Slashing government spending will allow us to use that revenue to pay off our national debt, fund our defense and allow our people more freedom. Which is what every government on the planet is obligated to allow for their people.

 

Uhhh, maybe because I have been studying them for almost 40 years?

And yes, did you miss that we took punitive action against them just over 30 years ago? And until the last few years they were content to do nothing more than rattle their sabers and make ugly faces at us. But now they are starting to grow brave again. Putting their face into it again would likely keep them quiet another 30 years.

And no, do not expect Russia or China to get involved. For one, both have already agreed to the long list of UN Embargos and sanctions against Iran. And both countries are rather upset at Iran because in almost every previous arms transaction they have conducted, Iran bought a very small number of various types of equipment. Then turned right around and made almost exact copies, completely unauthorized and without paying any royalties. No, both of those nations are pretty much done with Iran for anything more advanced then say AK-47s and old surplus Cold War era junk.

In the early 2000's the China Arms Trade to Iran largely stopped. When it was discovered they had copied the Silkworm and other Chinese systems without payment and started to emplace them around the Straight of Hormuz, it largely cut them off from advanced weapons. That is why Iran then turned to North Korea for such systems. Another source that has been cut off because of their own issue with UN Sanctions.

And those sales were once extensive. Around $171 million in the early 1980's, it peaked at $600 million per year in 2000, then shortly afterwards pretty much fell to nothing. Beijing was tired of selling 1 item to Iran, then seeing them field 10 copies of it for every 1 sold. At least China normally paid Russia for the right to make copies of their equipment, Iran just outright stole it.

Russia has indeed been trying to seal a $10 billion arms deal with Iran for years. But nothing in that package is modern or advanced. Primarily Cold War surplus items, like tanks, artillery, helicopters, and fighters. Literally 40 year old equipment that they have put into storage as they have replaced them years ago. It is believed that their copying the S-300 was the final nail in that exchange program.

 

If it were that damn easy why did it take s so many years and lives to lose in Viet Nam????And what the hell are we still doing in Iraq and Afghanistan 17 or more years after we went there???Clearly Cotton balls learned nothing while he was in the military.

 

Read the Pentagon papers for the real truth about Tongking and get real ... not to believe the official fairy tales you name please!

And the USA and the Americans are not in the position to rate and decide that no country has the right for communism ... as well as the US has not the right to decide at all what is good or evil in the world!

And right Vietnam is the good example for the American ignorance and hypocrisy! The regime in Saigon was as evil as the worst communists and dictators ... but that does not matter, as far as they are anti-communists and the insurgents htere are communists.
Nice picture for the self declared "best democracy and legal state in the world" ... eh?

So you agree that Diem was a bastard and you say that it was South Vietnams bastard and so not the Norths business?
Nice ... and why is Assad then your business please? It is Syrians bastard and not your business .... and it is the same way Russians and Irans business as South Vietnam was your business then.

 

They weren't people, They were Muslims.
Are you bashing Jews today from your Nazi sites.

 

Muslims are not people? Nice ... and you blame others to be Nazis with their reasoned critics on Israel ... but doing the same wording against Muslims as the Nazis did once against Jews!

Very interesting ... mabye I shall say to you from now on "Heil Hitler"?

 

Sorry you are wrong. Diem was no where near as bad as the north vietnamese government and the viet cong

Again, people fled the north because they did not want to be communist. The viet cong had no right to return to the south and start murdering people, which is what they did.

You are also being untruthful about what the Pentagon papers say.

Lastly, the violent nsture of communism and it's violent history. Orders of magnitude more violent than any ideology in history. Prove that it has no right to exist.

You can hate America all you want but your anger is misplaced. America has been the greatest source of good in the world since ww2.

 

Wwohaa !
Well YOU let the Mask slip on that one didn't Chaaa "yasureokoo" ?
Gave us a quick, sharp glance of the diseased, repulsive & systemic
racisim found at the Heart of the Zionist Ideology. Your GIYUS
and/or Hasbara string pullers are going to be really very Piss't with
.................................................................................................................YOU

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.....................................................................In this case that SYSTEM is seen as
................................................................ the Rasict-Supremist Ideology of Zionism
...............................................................Maybe it's time to re-evaluate exactly who it is, that is that Piggy
............................................................................................................................................... hiding behind YOUR Burqa

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The "Tonkin incident" is a well known to have been a false flag.

 

The incident occurred. Like it or not it occurred. The infiltration of north vietnamese into south Vietnam was more than enough provocation for America to take a more prominent role in Vietnam.
Once members of what became the VC moved north. They had no right to come back south to impose communism on their former countrymen. They wanted to forcibly unite a country that was not united.
That is to say they wanted to conquer and control their countrymen.

That is an accurate representation of the Viet Cong.

 

And so, you as a fanatic pro Jewish Israel claim that Muslims are not people? The nazi's also had their ways of dehumanizing people. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/21567689.2018.1425144

you're proving my point.
nice.

 

If there were a daily award for Best Indoctrinated Poster, with these last several by you regarding Vietnam and Tonkin, you would win.

 

It did not occur. The US made it up, and as a consequence of that, the US started the war against North Korea. You need to read things up, not what you learned in school 30 years ago. The truth came out like 20 years ago.... from the US. It's just like Iraq. the US made things up, and as a consequence... it started a war.

 

No, i am saying that the poll does not say the majority of Americans don't support Israel.
It says that most Americans think we give Israel too much..

This is a similar question as the ones the press used during Vietnam.

They didn't ask do you believe the war is wrong? They asked do you approve of Johnson's handling of the war. Them most people vote no and the news agency says look everyone is opposed to the war..

Yes maybe we give Israel too much. That doesn't mean most people don't support Israel.

 

The reason you refer to "...lowlife Arab nations..." is because you have been indoctrinated by America's pro Israel - anti Islamic MSM(1), (2) to hate people you've never met who live in countries you've never even visited.

There's absolutely no reason for America to continue to waste $ Trillions more on a criminal regime that engages in ethnic cleansing, internationally condemned land theft (aka "Settlements") & regional aggression while refusing to make peace(3)

Meanwhile, the 80% + Americans in the poll I cited(4) who would rather spend America's money on America's Veterans, schools, medical system & infrastructure are not "misinformed and indoctrinated".
They are simply loyal to America over Israel as opposed to the disloyal 16.8% of "Americans" who view America just as Netanyahu does:

“Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away” [B. Netanyahu]



(1) “U.S. media coverage reveals a pro-Israel bias”
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2014/09/01/commentary/world-commentary/u-s-media-coverage-reveals-a-pro-israel-bias/#.WMLm5mafK_U

EXCERPT “Why does TV news look like a Netanyahu ad?” asked Chris McGreal of The Guardian on July 31, in his article on the “notoriously pro-Israel mainstream media in the U.S.”CONTINUED


(2) "Study: Anti-Islam Messages Dominate Media Coverage"
https://thinkprogress.org/study-ant...e-media-coverage-276a6e651758?gi=70ff4942f4aa


(3) "Israel Does Not Want Peace"
http://www.haaretz.com/peace/1.601112

EXCERPT "Rejectionism is embedded in Israel's most primal beliefs. There, at the deepest level, lies the concept that this land is destined for the Jews alone" CONTINUED


“81% of Americans Oppose $38 Billion Pledge to Israel”
http://original.antiwar.com/smith-grant/2016/09/19/81-americans-oppose-38-billion-pledge-israel/

EXCERPT “A solid majority of Americans would redirect $38 billion the Obama Administration pledged to Israel toward other priorities.

An IRmep poll fielded by Google Consumer Surveys reveals 80.8 percent of the US adult Internet user population says they would redirect the proposed spending toward other priorities.
- Caring for veterans (20.7 percent) was their top priority, followed by
- education spending (20.1 percent) and
- paying down the national debt (19.3 percent).
- Rebuilding US infrastructure was favored by 14.9 percent, while
- funding a Middle East peace plan received 5.8 percent of support.
- Only 16.8 percent said the $38 billion of pledged foreign aid should be spent on Israel.”
CONTINUED

 

Think progress? Really think info wars but communist.
Supporting the only basically good government in the middle east is a moral imperative for the United States.
Their treatment of Hamas is fully justified.
Egypt, Jordan,Syria and Iran? Yep they are crap countries. Though Jordan seems better now.

I suggest you quit reading fake news sources and opinion columns.

Being attacked on a regular basis ,Israel is pretty much justified in doing whatever they want to their neighbors.

Any country that doesn't joyfully acknowledge Israel's right to exsist and defend itself is a crap nation that should have no standing in the world community.

 

I didn't interpret the poll I cited as evidence that Americans don't support Israel and agree with you that the poll indicates that Americans think that the US gives Israel too much.

I also think that most people would claim to "support Israel" but far fewer Americans would "support Israel" if they knew the extent to which Israel exploits that support:

"How Israel Has Betrayed America"
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2014/06/06/how-israel-has-betrayed-america/

EXCERPT "A recent report by Newsweek magazine that Israel has spied on the United States at “an alarming level” and has done so “more than any other ally does” raises a very serious issue concerning how much Israel has betrayed America, which is something that the American mainstream media have time and again refused to debate in public."CONTINUED

 

OMG Israel has spied on the US? Holy crap lets Nuke them!!!!

Wait clinton spied on trump nuke her too.

 

About Diem Regime ...

Apart from the fact that Diem came to power with idiotic election manipulation ... in Saigon was announced that he received 135% of the votes ....
The Eisenhower administration was of the power-political view that, given its anti-communist stance, one should overlook the regime's atrocities and massive corruption. South Vietnam remained completely dependent on the US and was unable to survive without its help.

Diem's dictatorship provoked fierce opposition protests and self-immolation by Buddhist monks. The mass arrests and forced relocation strengthened the communist "National Liberation Front" (Vietcong) ... which was South Vietnamese btw .., which began in 1959 with the guerrilla war. In order to deprive the rural population of the influence of the Viet Cong and to cut off from the supply, the US pushed in the implementation of the Taylor Staley Plan, the establishment of so-called strategic villages (fenced, guarded areas for eight million people), and drove it more and more Vietnamese into the arms of the communist-controlled resistance. Meanwhile, a stream of American weapons and war material flowed into the Southeast Asian country-covered net of US military bases.

And no ... it is no hate agains tthe USA ... it is a hate against Amwrivcan ignorance, hypocrisy and arrogance at me.

You remember Nicaragua? Nice what the USA did there ... and that then Reagan was honored later for this disgusting things he ordered is a shame. The Contras were righty terrorists, drug smugglers and murders, supported and financed by the CIA with money from an illegal deal between Reagan Administration and evil Iran. Tell me ... what is there to excuse to to make better as the facts look like?

And right this is the same with all the many isues where the US did bad, including Vietnam!

 

China and Russia have spied on you as you spy on them ....and Russia is suspected to made intereferenc ein your elections ... something what the US did in case of Russia in the 90's with proof too. Woops ... there foam of anger in the US mouth!

Hypocrisy again?

 

I am fully aware of the History surrounding Vietnam. The North however was just as corrupt and brutal as were the Viet Cong.
The reason the hamlet's were necessary was because the viet cong murdered and abducted people.

Any way you slice it the war in Vietnam big huge tangled ball of mistskes, miscalculations and atrocities. Starting with the US who after liberating Vietnam from the Japanese we turned around and out of conveniences used Japanese police to keep the police, then the french came back and turned the people against capitalism.

Ho Chi Minh had great admiration for the United States and was more revolutionary than communist Had we been a greater positive influence on the North we could have helped organize the country in a non communist manner.. if anything we should have gone to war with the french and expelled them from Vietnam.

We could go on for days talking about the mistakes but America was not wrong to be there fighting for the south.

How we waged the war was atrocious mostly due to our strategy and it's impacts on US servicemen. How it affected the north and the VC i couldn't care less.
We should have destroyed everything coming into North Vietnam via Russia and China, bombed the dikes protecting the norths rice production and gone after their command and control centers.
The war should have lasted 6 months not 10 years and that is the real atrocity. Oncecwe got involved we should have fought to win a surrender on the North.