SEN. TOM COTTON: war with Iran would be just ‘two strikes’

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    this thread is NOT about Israel.
     
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    Israel is key to this thread. Iran constantly attacking israel through their proxies is the main reason for the sanctions on Iran.
     
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    almost all US military aid to Israel is spent on American military hardware.

    thats tens of billions of American dollars put BACK into the American economy and keeping Americans employed in good paying jobs with good benefits.
     
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    No, Israel not only spies on the US but it does so more than any other country(1) and sells US secrets & technology to the Chinese and has been for about 10 years (2).
    Not only has Israel been stealing America's secrets since before the days of Jonathan Pollard, it began its treacherous practice of False Flag attacks on US interests as early as the Lavon affair and include their deliberate massacre of 34 Americans aboard America's USS Liberty.
    More recent Israeli betrayals include feeding the US false intelligence & Israeli lobby pressure(3) on the US to attack Iraq.

    Now, the same parasitic Israeli lobbies, Zionist war mongers & disloyal "Israel Firsters" are pushing America into an even more disastrous war with Iran that will inflame the entire region.

    While you may have a fawning devotion to Israel, don't deceive yourself into thinking it is reciprocated as Israeli recipients of America's largesse regard their American supporters as suckers:

    "WHAT DO ISRAELIS THINK ABOUT AMERICANS? START WITH DISDAIN"
    http://forward.com/news/israel/216074/what-do-israelis-think-about-americans-start-with/

    EXCERPT " Though Israel is a famously fractious society, Israelis tend to agree on one thing: Their strongest supporters are an inherently dupable people.

    “Most Israelis think Americans are pro-Israel and we can sell them anything, especially mud from the Dead Sea,” said David Lifshitz, the lead writer for the Israeli comedy show “Eretz Nehederet,” or “Wonderful Land.”

    “Or — just regular mud with a ‘Dead Sea’ sticker on it.”CONTINUED




    (1) "ISRAEL WON'T STOP SPYING ON THE US"
    http://www.newsweek.com/2014/05/16/israel-wont-stop-spying-us-249757.html


    EXCERPT "The Jewish state’s primary target: America’s industrial and technical secrets.

    “No other country close to the United States continues to cross the line on espionage like the Israelis do,” said a former congressional staffer who attended another classified briefing in late 2013, one of several in recent months given by officials from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), the State Department, the FBI and the National Counterintelligence Directorate.


    (2) "Report: Israel Passes U.S. Military Technology to China"
    https://www.military.com/defensetec...srael-passes-u-s-military-technology-to-china

    EXCERPT "Israel has a long record of getting U.S. military technology to China.

    In the early 1990s then-CIA Director James Woolsey told a Senate Government Affairs Committee that Israel had been selling U.S. secrets to China for about a decade."CONTINUED


    (3) "Quietly lobbying Congress to approve the use of force in Iraq was one of AIPAC's successes over the past year."

    AIPAC executive director Howard Kohr

    New York Sun in January 2003
     
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    kindly stop calling Jews "parasites".
     
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    Nonsense.

    “Five reasons U.S. aid to Israel is a bad investment”
    http://irmep.org/5reasons.asp

    1. U.S. aid to Israel yields a huge negative return on investment

    2. U.S. Aid to Israel is not a significant “U.S. jobs creator”

    3. U.S. aid enables Israel to forever avoid a meaningful peace deal

    4. U.S. aid to Israel offsets Israel’s nuclear weapons development costs

    5. Israel's nuclear weapons program makes aid illegal”

    CONTINUED
     
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    nope, its a fact.

    currently 25% of US military aid to Israel can be used to purchase non-US manufactured military hardware.

    Obama's 10 year $38 billion deal phases this out so that by 2024 this will drop to 12% and by 2028 it will drop to 0%.

    it is a FACT, that US military aid to Israel has been mostly used to buy AMERICAN MADE military equipment, pouring billions of dollars into the American economy and jobs.

    The terms of the 2019-2028 MOU differ from previous agreements on such issues as  Phasing out Off-Shore Procurement (OSP). Under the terms of the new MOU, OSP will remain until FY2024, but will then be gradually phased out, ending entirely in FY2028

    https://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf
     
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    Total aid rose from $3 billion to $3.8 billion annually, but it came with some new conditions. Over the course of the 10-year agreement, a special exception allowing Israel to use up to 26.3 percent of FMF aid money for “off shore procurement” (OSP) will phase out. OSP refers to materials bought from sources outside the United States. Israel’s exception meant that it could spend 26.3 percent of the money it got with Israeli companies, granting the Israeli weapons and technology industry a significant boost.

    The old MOU, for instance, permitted Israel to use up to $400 million of the annual FMF grant to buy jet fuel. This privilege was discontinued in FY ’19, meaning that Israel will have to purchase the fuel with its own funds. This reflects Obama’s driving purpose behind these changes: to maximize the benefits to U.S. corporations by increasing the FMF funds that return to the U.S. market.

    The OSP phase-out began this year, with the raw total remaining the same as in FY ’18, $815.3 million, out of a larger aid package. From FY ’20-’23, it drops by a total of just $10 million. But in FY 2024, the drop starts accelerating until 2028 when it disappears completely:

    https://lobelog.com/u-s-aid-to-israel-what-you-need-to-know/




    it appears that US aid to Israel since 1998 has included a stipulation that the vast majority of the money be spent on American military hardware.

    looks like this was set at 75%, and the remainder could be spent on Israeli or other nations' stuff.

    but the new deal signed with Obama phases this out to zero, meaning ALL American military aid MUST be spent on American military hardware.

    thats billions of dollars to help American workers feed their families.
     
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    I have not now nor have I ever referred to a Jew or Jews as parasites.

    "Parasitic", however, is both accurate and commonly used when describing the Israeli lobbies who relentlessly prey on loyal American taxpayers.


    "The Host and The Parasite: How Israel's Fifth Column Consumed America"
    https://www.amazon.com/Host-Parasite-Israels-Consumed-America/dp/1450590349
    EXCERPT "The U.S. republic founded in 1776 bears no resemblance to the anti-democratic police state that has declared war on its citizens, and provokes needless wars in the Middle East at the behest of Israel. At the center of it all is the parasitic control of the Israel Lobby on the U.S. government."CONTINUED
     
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    since 2010, Israel has used American aid to buy 50 F-35 fighter jets.

    thats billions of dollars put into the American economy
     
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    P.L. 115-141, the FY2018 Consolidated Appropriations Act, provides the following for Israel:

    $3.1 billion in Foreign Military Financing, of which $815.3 million is for off-shore procurement;

    that means $2.3 billion spent on AMERICAN MADE military hardware.
     
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    In 2007, the Bush Administration and the Israeli government agreed to the current $30 billion military aid package for the 10-year period from FY2009 to FY2018. Under the terms of the agreement, Israel was explicitly permitted to continue spending up to 26.3% of U.S. assistance on Israeli-manufactured equipment (known as Off-Shore Procurement or OSP - discussed below).
     
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    It may not matter. I remember when a Palestinian election put Hamas in power. Regime change doesn't always result in a change for the better. War is rarely an answer to anything.
     
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    Since 1946, the Jewish State has received $134 billion in direct financial aid from the USA.

    $95 billion of this has been military aid.

    and since 1998, 74% of all military aid to Israel has been used to buy AMERICAN MADE military hardware. That means F-35 fighter jets, tanks, missiles, guns, bullets, etc.

    That's tens of billions of dollars pumped DIRECTLY into the US economy.

    Tens of billions of dollars to help maintain and grow good quality middle class American jobs.

    A parasite, is an organism that feeds off a host and provides no benefit to the host.

    Israel has spent tens of billions of dollars on American goods since at least 1998.

    And they surely spent more on American military hardware before then.



    Parasite? hardly.
     
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    That just translates to Israel being given around $75B worth of military equipment for free; none of these dollars were pumped directly into the US economy other than the US citizens tax payers money being used to manufacture this military equipment
     
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    it's tens of billions of dollars worth of American made military hardware that may not have been sold otherwise.

    Duhhhhh

    American military aid to Israel is basically just an American jobs program
     
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    Tanks, fighter jets etc aren't left unsold. They are produced after a contract of sale is agreed, not before. And yes, military equipment is basically an American jobs program but paid for by US citizens
     
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    there are many communities in this country that literally rely on American military sales, to stay alive
     
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    I am sure the US being an educated country could find a better way to keep its people alive than perpetual war which is gross destruction of other people and their states.
     
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    CAUTION: "ZIONO-ECONOMICS" STILL COSTS THE US $ TRILLIONS


    Try as you might to muddy the waters, incessant aid to Israel has still cost America $ Trillions:

    "The Real Cost of US Support for Israel: $3 Trillion"
    http://www.ilaam.net/Intl/RealCostOfIsrael.html

    EXCERPT "While it is commonly reported that Israel officially receives some $3 billion every year in the form of economic aid from the U.S. government, this figure is just the tip of the iceberg. There are many billions of dollars more in hidden costs and economic losses lurking beneath the surface. A recently published economic analysis has concluded that U.S. support for the state of Israel has cost American taxpayers nearly $3 trillion ($3 million millions) in 2002 dollars."CONTINUED

    Note: The figure, above, is as of 2002 & has risen significantly since then.
     
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    If through the mysterious world of "Ziono-Economics" giving money to Israel makes a country richer, why doesn't everyone give Israel $Billions every year?

    Meanwhile, America's V.A. Hospitals are grossly under funded & understaffed, our schools are overcrowded, infrastructure needs repair, countless Americans are homeless, hungry & without health care, our deficit is sky high, illegal immigrants are pouring through our porous borders but there's always plenty of money to give away to wealthy Israel's ethnic cleansing agenda & illegal land theft (aka "Settlements").
     
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    In America I dont let liberal clown on late nite TV speak for me and I dont think a closn in Israel speaks for that country either
     
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    nope, we have only given Israel around $135 billion dollars in aid since 1949.

    and much of that money was used to buy American military hardware.

    ...which makes aid to Israel a bit of an American jobs program.
     
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    hahahaha!!!!

    that's not Israel's fault, that's the fault of Conservative Republicans who don't want to invest in America.
     

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