Socialism or Capitalism

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Socialism or Capitalism?

  1. Socialism

    8 vote(s)
    21.1%
  2. Capitalism

    30 vote(s)
    78.9%
  1. Phyxius

    Phyxius Well-Known Member

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    Not at all, but under single payer, would the VA be necessary? That's $199 billion for a completely separate system that will handle 9 million patients this year - almost twice as much per patient as Medicare. Veterans would have the added benefit of not being restricted to VA facilities, which could be hours away from where they live.
     
  2. Thingamabob

    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    On the face of it Socialism is best, but here's the problem >>> corrupt Socialism is just as bad as corrupt Capitalism. What you have in the U.S is advanced stages of corrupt Capitalism and the country is on the brink of total collapse very similar to the Jeltsin era of the Soviet Union.

    I know that Americans think about what would happen if Capitalism would crash and Socialism suddenly takes the reigns of power in the U.S. We have seen in recent history some examples of Communism/Socialism being introduced into formally Capitalist nations.

    Two worth mentioning are Cuba and Vietnam. These countries were liberated from American Mafia control of its natural resources (in the case of Cuba) and by foreign colonization and manipulation by France (in the case of Vietnam). These are success stories, subsequent American treachery upon them notwithstanding.

    And what about the other way round? Well, there are many examples of this. Soviet satellite nations of Europe have had the distinction of suffering at the hands of corrupt mafia-like Capitalist tactics and their lives have become hell without jobs, income, or housing although when under Socialist/Communist rule they had something to show for their toil.

    In the final analysis, Socialism is much better "on paper" for the population of the world whereas Capitalism is a "some have it all while others have doodly squat", no bones about it. So I guess that Socialism is best as long as it isn't corrupted. Capitalism is bad "on paper" from its very inception and just gets worse if it is corrupted.
     
  3. xwsmithx

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    Again, we seriously need a program of public education in our schools on the subject of the failures of socialism. No one in this day and age, after the failures of socialism, the collapse of communism, and the complete discrediting of Keynesian economics, should still be trumpeting the "benefits" of socialism. In a rational society, this question wouldn't even come up.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/1452...g-how-capitalism-solves-poverty-aaron-bandler
     
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    I don't see why a separate system would be necessary.
    But I guess it is now, separate from Medicare/Medicaid systems.
    Perhaps different rules require separate systems. But I don't know why they couldn't be run under 1 system.
     
  5. Turin

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    So lets start privatizing the roads eh?
     
  6. Turin

    Turin Well-Known Member

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    I would choose a hybrid.

    Some things are best served by government.

    Some things are best served by markets.
     
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  7. dairyair

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    A bit contradictory on your part.
    Things best served by gov't is socialism.

    No one is calling for 100% socialism, but for a tiny fraction.
    Don't think anyone is this thread has called for it.
    Most have said a mixed form is the best.
     
  8. XploreR

    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    Socialism or Capitalism
    Neither. I feel the best system is a balanced combination of the best ideas from both working together.
     
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    For anyone and everyone that votes socialist, there are several countries that are already socialist please dont change America or any of our good allies.
     
  10. Pollycy

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    I agree with you in my vote, and in spirit, but the truth is that nearly ALL of our allies are already completely Socialist or very nearly so. Look at Europe, as an example....
     
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    America has become too extreme in the distribution of wealth across the nation. We need ways to alleviate that extremism, & some socialist programs could be of great assistance in that process. I don't advocate turning America into a socialist state, but I do advocate blending some socialist ideas into & working with our current capitalist system to soften the wealth disparity, & help rebuild the middle class.
     
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    I see what your saying but there are thousands if not millions of people in countries like Canada, Great Britain, and others that dont want it in there country either. I pray for freedom for everyone.
     
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    We cant counter act it with policies that failed though. I agree the gap is widening in a bad direction for the .01 percent and middle class over the last 100 years or so. We need less government interaction on my opinion. Competition should be so rampant that Amazon's never exit. Socialism only hurts the consumer competition "should" help.

    My .02
     
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    I am convinced that our reliance on competition is wrong. Cooperation is far superior as a cultural tool. Competition creates a few winners & lots of losers. I offer America today as a prime example. Cooperation creates far more winners. Yes, they win less, but more people experience winning. And the old propaganda that "socialism" forces the loss of individual freedoms is also false. Today, Democratic Socialism is actually superior to our Constitution in terms of honoring individual freedoms & rights. Some European countries are more free than we. Sad, but true. Socialism offers more remedies thru cooperation.
     
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    Fascism suits you fine, does it?
     
  16. Thingamabob

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    Yes, look.

    DEMOCRACY INDEX 1.jpg DEMOCRACY INDEX 2.jpg
     
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    That's generated by a UK company, no credibility at all. You might as well have posted a picture of a dump you're struggling to flush would be as relevant.

     
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    First, neither is a system of government.
    Second, As socialism is only a set of variants and/or critiques on the failures inherent in a free market capitalist system, it's kind of a NULL question. The answer is both as it has always been. The US has just traditionally leaned further towards "free market capitalism" than most other countries. So I cannot honestly answer your question with the options given. Sorry.

    Socialism defined as "government control of the means of production" could be socialism depending on how the government is set up. If it's defined as "worker control of the means of production" that doesn't even technically negate capitalism either.
     
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  19. Shonyman32

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    Cooperation isnt freedom. Equality if opportunity is all that's garunteed not outcome. Socialism has never offered more freedoms. The lazy should not benefit from my hard work ever. Those who wirker harder than me don't owe me a thing. I will never sacrifice freedom for anything. Socialism takes everyones freedom. Feel free to prove me wrong however. I'm open to this dialogue.
     
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    America isnt fascism.......where on earth did that come from?
     
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  22. Thingamabob

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    What is your problem? A chip on your shoulder based upon an inferiority complex? I supported Pollycs statement ...

    The list I posted confirms that U.S. allies are nearly all Socialist nations. Am I right or am I right?

    DEMOCRACY INDEX 1.jpg DEMOCRACY INDEX 2.jpg

    As far as what the list proves (on its own) you are in deep water without your water wings because the U.S. sucks when it comes to Democracy. Oh ... and by the way .... the UK (yeah, the one you are now tossing together with your "dump down the flusher" is one of your biggest allies. If you think before you speak you could save yourself much embarrassment and avoid jumping down the crapper with your "dump". Ya' know?

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  23. Thingamabob

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    From the definition: Talks like fascism, Walks like fascism. Acts like Fascism. Does like Fascism. You can call it a Democracy or Disneyland if you want .... but it doesn't change the facts.

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    No, you're not right. None of those countries are socialist. The socialist nations (the ones at the bottom of the economic freedom index, here: https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking) are all dirt poor. All the countries you listed are capitalist or capitalist with some socialist elements, Uruguay and Malta being the most socialistic of the bunch. Just sticking to Europe, the most socialistic country is probably Greece, and it didn't make the top 30 in your list.
     
  25. Pollycy

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    Not exactly sure what point you're making, honestly. I suppose I view "Socialism" much more from an economic viewpoint than from one that is focused on "Democracy", per se. Nations that provide cradle-to-grave handout welfare to people who simply lay around on their ass all their lives can certainly feature regularly held, 'Democratic' elections -- which (naturally enough) are routinely won by bureaucrats and socialist apparatchiks who run on platforms of continuing to provide MORE cradle-to-grave handout welfare.... Those are the countries that appear to me to be "socialistic", although each may not necessarily nationalize all the corporations and businesses IN those countries ('classic' Socialism). Shades of gray....

    One of my German friends put it this way -- "Under Socialism, the government gives you everything you need -- AFTER TAKING FAR TOO MUCH OF WHAT YOU HAVE!"

    BTW, the United States is a REPUBLIC, not a 'Democracy'. Those whose simple ignorance of this fact makes them unaware of the differences need to study both types of institutions with focus or risk embarrassing themselves....
     
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