China is erasing its border with Hong Kong

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  1. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    Dude. The Japanese were worse compared to what the nazi's did to the Jews.
    You're just ranting nonsense.
     
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    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So the people of Hong Kong should accept their loss of freedoms, a lower quality of life, and accept that they now live under a brutal regime.

    Wow. You’re a hardcore Bolshevik.
     
  3. Texas Republican

    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It’s another Singapore. Yes, strict. But not Stalin/Mao strict.
     
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    It's never a benefit to lose your sovereignty.
     
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    Yes but what is going on in China is not a war. There is no violence. It is simply a Chinese internal issue.
     
  6. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    Well some people are stuck with Trump. And you would cry a different tune if say them immigrants in London would claim that they have been there for a while, time for some independent sharia law. It is what it is. It's part of China. End of discussion.
     
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    Well... Actually no it doesn't ring a bell. Does it matter?
     
  8. Josephwalker

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    Just wondered what your reaction would be of a democrat president starting a war you trashed America for.
     
  9. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    China suffered more casualties during WWII than any country other than the Soviet Union, yet there's no remorse by Japan, instead they cover it up so that it's a continuous source of animosity between them. As one Japanese PM said: 'We do not want our people to suffer feelings of collective guilt'.

    What was done to Nanking the capital of China, makes all other holocausts humane in comparison. The Japanese felt the Chinese deserved the punishments because they surrendered and it was contemptible in their eyes. Here are some excerpts from an article:

    "...as many as 17 million Chinese casualties weren’t soldiers. They were civilians, unarmed and defenseless, and many of them were put through unimaginable hell before they were killed..."

    "...Some of the worst of it occurred over the six weeks after the Japanese stormed into the Chinese capital of Nanking (now known as Nanjing) in December 1937..."

    "...In the mere six weeks during which the Japanese perpetrated the Nanking Massacre starting on Dec. 13, 1937, an estimated 20,000-80,000 Chinese women were brutally raped and sexually assaulted by the invading soldiers. They sometimes went door-to-door, dragging out women and even small children and violently gang-raping them. Then, once they’d finished with their victims, they often murdered them..."

    "...The invaders, though, didn’t even stop at simply murder. They made these women suffer in the worst ways possible. Pregnant mothers were cut open and rape victims were sodomized with bamboo sticks and bayonets until they died in agony..."

    “...Never I have heard of such brutality one missionary in Nanking, James M. McCallum, wrote in his diary. “Rape! Rape! Rape! We estimate at least 1,000 cases a night and many by day...”

    "...Meanwhile, one writer for The New York Times who was on the scene wrote, "I drove down to the waterfront in my car. And to get to the gate I had to just climb over masses of bodies accumulated there... The car just had to drive over these dead bodies." Once he reached the waterfront, he witnessed the massacre of 200 men within just ten minutes..."


    Dead on the steps of a building.
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    A Japanese soldier holding a severed head.
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    Men on the way to be killed.
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    Japanese doctor experimenting on a Chinese subject.
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    Chinese men forcibly buried alive.
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    https://allthatsinteresting.com/rape-of-nanking-massacre#27
     
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    And the communists killed even more than the Japanese while Mao consolidated power.

    The same is true of the Soviets. They killed as many of their own people as the Germans did.
     
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    I hadn't looked at it in that light.
    I was thinking more in terms that of Texas being a state without a country until the US decided they wanted it.
     
  12. Jimmy79

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    You are the only one talking about Nazis. Hitler was an amateur on the genocidal scale.

    Mao and Stalin, heros of the left, killed many times more people than Hitler did.
     
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    Go tell that to a Jew
    That is saying like that Hitler and Mussolini are the heroes of the right. Besides that. Lots of people love to blame Moa for the great famine. But it never was his intention to massacre the people who died because of that. Sure, he killed a lot. Never that many as the Japanese or Hitler.
     
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    Lefties are more in tune with china than America

    In china everything is either mandatory of against the law

    And only one opinion - lefties - is allowed
     
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    Why would leftists like Hitler and Mussolini be heros of the right?

    Maos "Cultural Revolution" was probably the greatest genocide in the history of the world. A 2 minute Google search showed sources estimating more than 20 million people killed.
     
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    The whole Chinese dream went pear-shaped after the 2008 financial crisis. They were happy not to intervene in Hong Kong while their economy was growing well and still had a healthy export/property industry ratio and reasonable debt levels. But after the GFC in an attempt to maintain their high GDP their entire economy shifted to property fuelled economy, the rise of the ghost cities and astronomical levels of debt.

    I took a screenshot from the video that point out the exact point where China became more aggressive in their intervention in Hong Kong (also in their rule over their own citizens) and where Hong Kong Chinese started identifying less with China.

    China pre 2008 and China post 2008 are two different animals. Screen Shot 2019-06-23 at 9.32.21 am.png
     
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    Polk wanted and got Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, part of Utah and California. Many wanted to take Baja and half of what is now Mexico but Polk thought that would be too much and Europe might come to Mexico's defense. It was a war of agression and illegal but with the benefit of hindsight was for the best for that entire region.
     
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    What china does to hong kong today the will eventually do to every country that is weaker them them
     
  19. Jeannette

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    What sovereignty? They lost it to Britain years ago, and if they want to regain it, then it's their business.


    The communist revolution in China was a civil war, and it was probably worse than even the Russian revolution - which killed over 20 million Christians, but it was not genocide. Genocide is only when one group tries to kill off another group so they can ethnically cleanse an area. It was genocide what the Germans did to the Jews and Slavs, and what the Turks did to the Armenians and Pontic Greeks.
     
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    But Hong Kong is China. :roll:
     
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    I dont know what point you are trying to make

    Except that maybe you think a brutal marxist dictatorship has the right to mistreat its citizens any way it damn well pleases
     
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    Why would "the information posted here" change the fact that the U.S. is the No 1 threat to peace and freedom in the world? Does "the information posted here" point out any other nation that is more threatening to peace and freedom in the world? And if so, what nation would that be? I think you should state your case clearly.
     
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    Oh, I see what you are getting at. You mean when the U.S.erased its' border with Mexico surrounding ... Texas except that the people of Texas were Mexican citizens and the U.S. actually stole it and its' population.
     
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    The United States is not trying to smother democracy in Hong Kong

    China is
     
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    Another absolutely brilliant (and highly relevant) response from you, Jeannette.
     

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