Trump Preparing for Nuclear War

A few other pointers - Russia doesn’t really have 6500 nukes. The US and Russia each have about 1400 active nukes. The rest are in storage or not ready. If nuclear war happens it will be fought with 1,400 nukes. By the time to get to the rest of them the war will be over.

Also, I didn’t say Russia doesn’t have any weapon ready to go - I said that Sarmat is a liquid fuel rocket and it needs to be fueled before launch. Are you going to argue against physical fact that liquid fuel erodes rockets internal components of left there for long? My point is - Russia is significantly decreasing the number of their ICBMs that use solid fuel, which means that while they can make nice fast rockets, in reality they will significantly decrease Russia’s ability to respond to a nuclear attack.

 

Trump just got cold feet over 150 deaths. You really think he'd use nukes haphazardly? Time to put the war monger claim to bed with collusion.

 

Also factor in that the most common estimates available to the public is that in the case of the U.S. about 30% of U.S. nuclear weapons will not detonate or hit well away from their targets. Meaning the U.S. probably actually gets about 980 nuclear weapons on targets. None of which will be targeted on Russian cities as the 980 is not enough to spare any for destroying mere urban centers.

Assuming a slightly higher failure rate for Russian weapons (for obvious reasons) of 40% then the Russians would get about 840 warheads on U.S. targets. Again almost certainly without bothering to target cities as that is insufficient to have enough to spare for urban centers. Of course that ignores the fact that the Russians would probably hold back a couple of hundred warheads as well so they could deal with the Chinese if necessary.

 

Also, I remember reading somewhere that Russia has less than half of its nukes on ICBMs. That reduces the quantity we would face even further because there is no way we would let slow TU-95s to fly to our mainland.
Considering Russian chronic launch failures in their apace program I’d give them a much higher failure rate than 40%.

 

You are wrong. We could just carpet bomb them and not send a single soldier on the ground. Wait for survivors to organize a new government and carpet bomb them again if we don’t like that government. We could keep going like that for a while and need for drafts and body bags.

 

True although to be fair the United States hasn't really "carpet bombed" anything since the Vietnam War.

 

Proof of claim ?

 

I realize you are probably choked at having your numerous falsehoods corrected but this is no reason to put words in my mouth and mischaracterize what I said.

 

Where did I put falsehoods in your mouth?
I’m quoting real tests and results, while you feed me with opinion pieces.
Just admit you lost the argument.

 

You are thinking of US ally Saudi Arabia where all these things happen. While Iran is an oppressive and often brutal regime, this has never been a problem for the US before as it has eagerly backed some of the most brutal dictators on the planet and still does.

Iran hates the US because it overthrew a democratically elected government and put in place a brutal, western dictator with one of the most savage state police regimes in the world at that time. You whine about people interfering in your elections yet you have interfered in other countries democracies for decades - 72 instances if I am not mistaken. Maybe if you didn't try to impose your will on the world, no one would hate you. Your sanctions are not hurting the regime as much as you are killing the women and children of Iran. You think they should love you for this. How would you feel if someone did that to you.

[quote[Hell, we just ought to ban driving, ban women, ban hotdogs, ban bikinis, ban dissent, ban Rock & Roll, get on our hands and knees, surrender to Iran, and beg for her forgiveness for daring to believe we were born free, and know better than Allah how to live our own lives.

Or??? Maybe?? Nuke the btch?[/QUOTE]

Or you could let other countries work out their own form of government for themselves and stop threatening everyone you don't like with war.

You talk about capitalism being a free exchange of goods and services people freely exchanging done with a handshake.

Yet you literally have sanctions or tariffs on almost every other country in the world. And then you whine cause your hated as you kill people, hundreds of thousands of them in Iraq alone.

If you "nuke the btch" it would be a crime against humanity and the whole world would turn on you. It would probably be the end of your failing empire.

 

He didn't get cold feet over 150 deaths. He suddenly realized what a sh%tstorm he was walking into and chickened out. If he was really worried about deaths, he would lift the sanctions which, as a form of economic warfare, are mostly going to kill women and children.

 

A thread of pure silliness. Even by PFs polarized standards. Pro tip lefties: just like when you lost the election? I posted why. And I will say it again albeit no one from the DNC to internet trolls are listening. You will not..can not and never will win a presidency based solely on fear mongering unsubstantiated and or meaningless oft taken out of context personal attacks and hard to swallow quite insane platform pillars....

it was proven in the last election and Trump will prove it in the next. The average voter is moderate..or rather the deciding voters. So the left is gonna rant crap like this OP and the other 1000 unsubstantiated crap and Trump is just gonna ask..ok folks, how's your pocket book? How are your fuel prices? How is your families quality of life...then hes just gotta point to the current Democratic platform which is full blown socialism with no way to pay for it and fear mongering. The left literally hasn't said one other thing. It's crazy since I'm sure not all of them can be stupid. Another 4 years is incoming

 

Too easy:

https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/Russian-Strategic-Nuclear-Forces-Under-New-START

Updated: April 2019

On April 8, 2010, Russia and the United States signed the New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (New START). The treaty requires both sides to limit the number of deployed strategic nuclear warheads to no more than 1,550 and fielded delivery platforms to 700. The treaty also permits the United States and Russia to conduct 18 annual on-site inspections of facilities operated by the other country. Biannual data exchanges indicate the current state of their strategic forces.

As of March 2019, Russia had 524 deployed strategic delivery systems and 1,461 deployed strategic nuclear warheads, and 760 deployed and non-deployed strategic launchers. Russia is in the process of both retiring many of its older strategic systems and replacing them with new systems.

For a factsheet on U.S. nuclear forces, click here.

Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles (ICBMs)

The following tables are based on public source data given that Russia does not release official statistics for specific New START accountable delivery systems.

Missile system

Number of systems

Warheads Total warheads
Deployment

R-36M2 (SS-1

46

10

460

Dombarovsky, Uzhur

UR-100NUTTH (SS-19)

30

0

0

Kozelsk, Tatishchevo

Topol (SS-25)

36

1

36

Yoshkar-Ola, Nizhniy Tagil, Novosibirsk, Irkutsk, Barnaul, Vypolzovo

Topol-M silo (SS-27)

60

1

60

Tatishchevo

Topol-M mobile (SS-27)

18

1

18

Teykovo

RS-24 mobile

84

4

336

Teykovo

RS-24 silo

12

4

48

Kozelsk

Total

286



958



All tables are from http://russianforces.org.
Submarine-Launched Ballistic Missiles (SLBMs) and Submarines

Submarines

As of early 2017, the Navy had 12 functional strategic submarines of three different types, 11 of which are functional and one is being overhauled. They are deployed with the Northern Fleet and the Pacific Fleet. Bases of the Northern Fleet host six 667BDRM (Delta IV) submarines. The Delta IVs are undergoing overhaul in which they are being equipped with new missiles. The Pacific Fleet base hosts three 667BDR (Delta III) submarines but these are being withdrawn from service. Project 955 (also known as Borey or Yuri Dolgorukiy) is the newest class of submarines. Construction began in 1996 and the first joined the Northern Fleet in 2013, though subsequent submarines of this class will join the Pacific Fleet. As of January 2016, three Project 955 submarines have been accepted into service. When the missiles on Project 941 (Typhoon) class submarines reached the end of their service lives, these submarines were withdrawn from service. The one exception is the lead ship of the class, TK-208 Dmitry Donskoy, which was refitted for the new missile system, R-30 Bulava, which is designed for deployment on the Borev-class nuclear submarines The Borey class submarines are expected to constitute the core of the Russian strategic submarine fleet, replacing the aging Project 941 and Project 667 boats. Russia is planning to build eight Borey and Borey-A class subs by 2020.

Submarine-Launched Ballistic Missiles

RIA News reported, in June 2012, that the Bulava sea-based ballistic missile had entered service. The Bulava (SS-NX-30) SLBM, developed by the Moscow Institute of Thermal Technology, carries up to 6 MIRV warheads and has a range of over 8,000 kilometers (5,000 miles). Borey class strategic submarines will carry up to 16 Bulava ballistic missiles, each with multiple warheads.

Strategic submarines

Number of submarines

Number of SLBMs and their type

Warheads

Total warheads
Project 667BDR (Delta III)

3*

32 R-29R (SS-N-1

3

96

Project 667BDRM (Delta IV)

6*

96 R-29RM (SS-N-23)

4

384

Project 941 (Typhoon)

1**

- - -

- - -

- - -

Project 955 (Borey)

3

48 R-30 Bulava

6

288

Total

12

160



768

Note that a huge portion of the Russian strategic nuclear arsenal (460 warheads) are mounted aboard the 1970s era SS-18 ICBMs

 

Your opinion is just that, TDS opinion. My statement is based on Trump's direct words.

 

I don't have TDS. I understand that Trump is a reality TV personality conning people into thinking he was a good or honest businessman or he knows how to run a country all the while bringing that same country to the edge of complete ruin - which you sadly are right on the precipice of.

I also know that Trump lies the same way other people breath. If you don't realize that then you are perhaps the one with TDS.

Trumpers sadly seem to be completely impervious to the truth about their dear leader.

I would help if I could but............

 

But none of this unapologetic Trump bashing leftist opinion can say how he conned us? Our countries GDP is up if you care, unemployment is stupid low, our gas prices are reasonable , businesses are making infrastructure investments. I personally and .my family are living well. We are an excellent ah snapshot, being both white and latino. After 3 years it's kinda hard to sell that it was a carry over from Obama's failed tenure.

And I voted for Obama his first term since he sold me on being a disruptor of the establishment. Lies. It took Trump a TV personality to trump the ivy league law professor to get the job done

 

You say you don't have TDS and then post a long TDS rant. LOL

 

I loathe President Trump and would like to see him gone. But how is he bringing this country to the edge of complete ruin? Certainly not economically..

 

Or you could let other countries work out their own form of government for themselves and stop threatening everyone you don't like with war.

You talk about capitalism being a free exchange of goods and services people freely exchanging done with a handshake.

Yet you literally have sanctions or tariffs on almost every other country in the world. And then you whine cause your hated as you kill people, hundreds of thousands of them in Iraq alone.

If you "nuke the btch" it would be a crime against humanity and the whole world would turn on you. It would probably be the end of your failing empire.[/QUOTE]

So your complaint is there not enough capitalism? I agree, but still...?

You are defending the Ayatollahs over the Shah? You really believe Iran was better off with Khomeini than the Shaw? Damn. I bet you think Russia was better off with Lenin then with the Romanov’s.

Nothing too sacred, right? If it’s for the cause.

 

LOL -- Like I didn't know this was coming. You spewed a number of demonstrable falsehoods in order to maintain the completely nonsensical claim that MAD is a Myth. These falsehoods were refuted using "real tests results" - while you have provided any evidence to back up these claims.

Then when you do refer to "supposed evidence" you state more falsehoods in relation to this evidence.

Anyone can make a mistake or an error (like the claim that MAD is a Myth) - this is only human. It is the fool refuses correction and keeps repeating the same error as if it is truth.

 

Not sure what the point of listing all the missiles was ? You needed only to mention the New START treaty and state that Russia has X number deployed. I am not the one that will try to deny the obvious.

The above was your claim - well - its actually two claims. Your second claim is at least somewhat true. Your first claim however seems to contradict the second claim. Either the missiles are "available" or they are not - easily or otherwise.

The missiles are available - they are built and they exist. Sure they have to be transported to silo's and/or launch vehicles but, that does not mean these missiles are not "available" for use against the US.

What is true is that after launching the 1400 nukes that are ready to go - The US would respond in kind and it would be difficult - if not almost impossible to launch other others. This is a mute point in relation to the topic though as after eating 1400 nukes there would be little point in launching more as the US would already be annihilated.

 

You just can’t accept your loss, huh?
Ok, let’s look at what russkies got based on known data:
SS-18. Each missile carries 10 warheads 550-750 kt each. 460 warheads, 46 missiles. It’s a liquid propellant rocket and it was designed/maintained by Ukrainian plant. Ukraine is not willing to continue to maintain them. The missiles will retire in 2022.
SS-25 reaches end of life just about now, worthless.

SS-27, Topol-M is a good missile that uses solid fuel. Carries a single warhead with 800 kt yield. 78 warheads, not much.

RS-24, Yars is pretty much Topol-M modified to carry 4 warheads instead of 1. But since the missile is pretty much the same which can carry at most 1.2 ton in payload, you can’t increase maximum yield. So, Yars carries 4 150 kt warheads instead of 1 with yield 800 kt. Russia has 96 such missiles carrying 386 warheads that are relatively small (150 kt).

That’s it for Russian ICBMs.
I don’t think you seriously think Russia would ever get a chance to get their TU-95s to us to drop heavy bombs.

Now, you claimed Russia has a bunch of missiles carrying 20 megaton + bombs. And all of your claims are based on very large warheads bombing the US, as you claimed 300-400 would be enough.
You were proven Wrong when it was pointed out to you that Russia has: 460 550-750 kt warheads sitting on ICBMs that need to be fueled before they are launched, 78 800 kt warheads that could be launched immediately, and 386 150 kt warheads that could be launched on the spot as well.
How the hell can you expect the US to lose all power and communications and be contaminated to a point of becoming a wasteland with those warheads is beyond me!

Nevada test site:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada_Test_Site

It saw 928 nuclear explosions with yields of 500 - 1,000 kt, you could see mushroom clouds from Vegas during testing, and yet that place is a popular tourist attraction with people living there pretty well.

So, yeah, MAD is a myth.
You were proven wrong.

 

The idea that a bunch of nuclear explosions - many of which were underground -done in the desert - proves "MAD" a myth is fallacious non sequitur gibberish on steroids.

This information does not address any of the claims related to "MAD" - never mind prove it is a myth.

If one is already dead from high levels of radiation - as anyone in relative proximity to the explosion would have been at the time conducted - or someone who went to ground zero shortly after the explosion - it matters not that 60 years later the radioactivity has dissipated.

Nor does the fact that radiation dissipates have anything to do with destruction of communication networks and the power grid.

Only a fool does not realize this.

 

Well, with majority if useful warheads, of being at 150 Kt (as I explained in prior post) the warheads are about 12 times larger than Hiroshima, not 150-300. And no, Russia doesnt have 20 megaton monsters.

I assume you are talking about Bulawa?
Each warhead is 150 Kt. You really think you can wipe out 500,000+ city with 150Kt warhead? Run a simulator again!

Where? How does Russia have “thousands”???

Comparing 150 Kt warheads to 15 Mt test bomb is intellectually dishonest. Russia doesn’t posses such bombs, so this is just blah-blah that’s coming out of you.


You were proven wrong multiple times already. Just admit it!

 

There is no doubt that this phase in the business cycle, likely helped by the empty sugar-rush of tax cuts for the very wealthy and corporations is creating jobs. But it certainly is a continuation of a recovery from 2008 that began under Obama. A simple statistical analysis proves that.

Let's be clear. The business cycle under capitalism is cyclical. This upswing has been running close to ten years and even conservative economists are worried - especially because your country is so far in debt and about to embark on another idiotic military adventure in the Middle East.

I am glad that you are personally doing well but don't let that blind you to the storm clouds that are gathering around you.

In fact, we are all standing on the precipice of something so existentially dangerous that it is going to make the illegal invasion of Iraq look like a Sunday picnic. And I don't mean just because we are right at the edge of a June 23, 1914 moment standing on the brink..............the storm is gathering all around us.