This is the PERFECT replacement for the welfare system.

Not only would I tell you to GTHO of my business if you came to me complaining about your salary in comparison to other persons getting a living wage, I would call up all the other employers in the field and tell them how stuck up and entitled you are. Good luck finding a "high level job"

"Let their children starve, they don't deserve to be able to live on their salary because I prefer I get raises I don't need or deserve"

 

That is the type of person you are? Where is your work ethic? your health insurance or will you just claim bankruptcy and let the rest of us pick up the tab?

Hell now that I am retired I live on less than 40,000 a year and my mortgage is paid! I spend almost 1000 a month on insurance on house and cars, taxes, water, and elec.

 

So its not really everyone that gets $1000/mo extra, just everyone who has a job?

 

And everyone would laugh at you because they value company profits over feeling good.

People dont create companies to hand out living wages. They create companies to generate profits.

And part of generating profits is minimizing costs, which I am very good at.

Ironic you assume I dont deserve a raise, yet you argue cleaning ladies should have their salaries doubled...

 

I work to pay the bills. If I can pay the bills without working, I aint gonna work.

Lifes too short.

 

EDIT WRONG PERSON LOL

 

Look, I was in sales If I sold products that earned my company "7" digits in profits (same as saving money) my compensation would have been over 200,000. I don't know what your are doing but you are not getting paid anything close to market value at $32 an hour which we paid new hires right out of eng school.

 

This is why conservatives say "no one will work" because they won't work so guess what this is why its per capita tax on the states so that this BS aditude will **** over GOP states.

 

I agree with all of it minus #3

 

Sales jobs are a different story. I could be a realtor and make far more than I make now. But sales suck. I prefer a nice comfy, low stress office job.

As they say, 100% of the houses are sold by the top 20% of realtors.

I could probably go elsewhere and make more, but the benefits and time off are hard to say no to.

My wife is a recruiter. She makes more than I do. She also works 12 hour days. More power to her, but **** that.

 

You mean the type of quality healthcare we receive now where we are the most expensive but do not get the best results? We fall just about every year in life expectancy and quality of care / satisfaction while rising in infant mortality and lack of care.

 

Why not number 3?

If number 3 is in place everyone 65 and older is kicked out of the work force, and that opens up millions of jobs and forced higher wages more jobs then workers so they have to fight us.

Basically yeah thats another thing that I forgot to add once you turn 65 you are no longer allowed to work and forced to be on SS and UBI

 

I have seen what voluntary retirement does to people.
They go stir crazy. I don’t think anyone should be forced from working if they choose to do so.

I am against #3 for a myriad of reasons. It disincentives work, it will cause rapid inflation likely being a net negative, and the wealthy should not receive a monthly stipend from the taxpayer.

 

What we have now is the reason we don't want single payer. Obamacare is a total disaster like we knew it would be and it was a prelude to single payer. The government mismanages everything, what makes anyone think they can provide quality affordable healthcare? What we have is garbage, what we had before Obamacare was the finest healthcare in the world. Then a family plan was about $120 dollars a week with low co-pays and no deductibles that same plan now is three or four times that with high co-pays and $2000 dollar deductibles per person. Nice huh?

 

You have no idea.

I thought I knew how wasteful and inefficient the government was from my time in the military...

Until I started working with them. It's way worse than I ever imagined. You wouldnt believe some of the things I've seen.

Seriously... you wouldnt believe it unless you saw it for yourself.

 

Hmm maybe the UBI could only be allowed to reach a combined salary of $25/h or for those on SS

It wont cause inflation because no new money is being made.

Another idea that would actually raise incomes naturally is to get stay at home parenting happening again. 1/2~ of the workers out the economy forcing them to bargan for workers

 

The GOP messed up the ACA if they just passed it without GOP amendments it would have been single payer and actually worked. The GOP made it Insurance subsidy.

Sweden Universal Heathcare 1917 USA protection from pre-existing conditions 2012 hmmm

 

Lets do some math. For FY 2020 which is from the middle of 2019 to 2020, the government has budgeted 4.75 trillion in spending and is estimated to receive 3.65 trillion in revenue. This will be a 1.1 trillion dollar deficit. States and local government take in another 2.2 trillion of revenue.

Drugs are not costing us 3.5 trillion, that is the total cost of healthcare. We spend about 400 billion on drugs yearly so even if we cut in half we are saying only 200 billion. So lets say healthcare costs would be about 3 trillion today if we implemented Medicare for all instead of 3.5 trillion. Now, the government currently spends about 1.1 trillion on healthcare so this will be a 1.9 trillion increase.

UBI isn't 2.7 billion. If you do 1K per month times 12 months, times 250 million adults, that gives us another 3 trillion in spending.

Now we are spending about 1 trillion on welfare total, but only 450 billion is on non-healthcare which you want to eliminate.

So lets summarize. 3.65 trillion in federal taxes + 2.2 trillion in state and local taxes + 1.1 trillion in deficit spending - .45 trillion in eliminating welfare + 1.9 trillion for medicare for all + 3 trillion for UBI. This takes total government spending from almost 7 trillion today to 11.4 trillion in a 20 trillion economy.

For the federal government spending only it will mean taking us from 4.75 trillion in spending to 9.2 trillion in spending in an economy with a 20 trillion GDP. We only get 3.65 trillion in revenue so we will have to make up for this new spending and our massive deficit with 5.55 trillion in new taxes, almost 30% of the entire economy.

And.....

Interest on our national debt is projected to rise from 400 billion today to 750 billion by 2026 and healthcare is projected to rise from 3.5 trillion today to almost 6 trillion by 2027. Social security currently costs 1 trillion but this is projected to rise to almost 1.75 trillion by 2028. So we will have to deal with that too. And lets not even think about all the illegals who will be pouring in to get some of that free healthcare and whatever else the democrats want to give them.

Plus...

The democrats are also waving about plans for free college, student debt forgiveness, free daycare, reparations for Native Americans and African Americans, a job guarantee, and spending trillions to refit the economy with the green new deal. These won't come cheap either.

 

That has nothing to do with you saying you save your company millions and that they only pay you 32 an hour. With my engineering hat on with a 40mill annual sales company, all the improvements our cross functional team did in implementing lean, JIT, 5S, work cells, one piece process flow etc I don't understand what you do, that could save a company millions every year and they only value you at 32 bucks. Hell my boss or any body I know (our Lean team would travel to other businesses in southern New England to meet with like groups) would put a dollar in your pocket for every 2 that you saved them.

 

Whats a living wage?

 

so a thousand bucks keeps you at home. Your wife is a saint. Hell I don't work for pay anymore for the last 11 months, I celebrate my 1 year retirement anniversary this month!

 

I'm just going to drop this here

 

A job that pays enough for a bus pass, 3 meals a day and an efficiency apt with Utilities and access to healthcare.

In boston a studio apt in a bad neighborhood will cost 1,200 a month, Eggs and cereal for breakfast, PB&J sandwiches for lunch and hamburger helper for supper will cost about 125 a month a t-pass will cost about 80 a month. Health insurance through the state (we have universal health) will cost about 200 a month for a single person a month so add another 150 for gas and electric, i think a phone is needed so that is another 20 bucks month so 2000 a month or week 12.50 an hour. Which is 60% more than the federal poverty level. Now that has you shopping for clothes at salvation army and savers, to me that is a living wage for a single person, I would think another $1 for every dependent per hour. Now that is not eating fresh vegetables or shopping for clothes at walmart.

See, I look at a 15 min wage as a "block grant" that eliminates food stamps, clothing allowances and an incentive for recipients to get off the dole. I would be OK with allowing students a lower min wage for 12 hours a week or less of 75%. Work study does not need to be 15 bucks.

 

Holly crap, this is a load of bull.

1. If the government controls healthcare costs it will not rise it will decrease. Those rising rates are from the private sector. Healthcare costs will drop below 2T in Medicare for all is implemented.

2. Do math. 1K multiplied by 250M is 300B off by a zero :/ but still cheaper than current welfare where you got Trillions must be from up the GOPs arse.

3. That means it would be at most T2.3 combined and if we remove the bloated useless military that the whole world hates because they do nothing but break international law in fake wars for oil, then you can shave off some of the budget, but nope, Military over infrastructure

4. The 1K is enough for free college if they price cap them.

 

I saved just over a million dollars the first year I worked at my last company by restructuring contracts and eliminating paper and transitioning to an on demand system via sharepoint from 2,000 locations. It was around $1.2m. The cost of paper I eliminated was over $300k by itself. Cost of toner was around $600k, plus the amount of waste and savings on printing and shipping... it added up. The last company I worked for had a over a billion dollars in revenue, so in the grand scheme of things, it was just a drop in the bucket.

They never gave me a raise for it. It was my job.

If my wife had a million dollars worth of employees working under her, she'd probably get paid around $400k.

Your pay depends on the job you work, not necessarily on the impact you have on the company.