Background check on ammo purchases

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  1. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    • California law will now require a background check for ammunition purchases.
    • Ammo sellers will have to report purchases to the California Department of Justice.
    This went into effect today. My question is how it is supposed to make me safer?
     
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    It's not.
    It's to make it harder for the law abiding to exercise their rights.
     
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    Xenamnes Banned

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    And now there will be the unintended consequence of ammunition smuggling becoming a thing in the state of California, which will translate into even more lost revenue for the state, and gained revenues in other states.
     
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    How do people legally reload ammo in CA? Not allowed anymore?
     
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    It's designed to harass the law-abiding to the point you don't want to own guns any more.
     
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    Presumably it makes it harder for those who would fail a background check too? Previously they just needed to illegally get a gun somehow but then could freely buy as much ammunition as they wanted for it. Now they’ll need to find an illegal source for ammo too (or, of course, not take the risk at all).
     
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    Any such effect is incidental, as those who cannot buy ammunition cannot legally possess firearms; if they want to buy ammunition, they must already have illegally acquired a firearm.
    If they illegally acquired a firearm, illegally getting the ammunition is a cake walk.
     
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    Doesn’t that depend on how they got the firearm. Theft must be a fairly common method and that won’t necessarily include much or any ammunition.

    Also, if it’s so easy to illegally obtain ammunition (and firearms), maybe legitimate gun owners need to promote a crackdown on that?
     
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    Not really. Ammunition isn't a controlled substance or a traceable item; there are innumerable ways to legally obtain ammunition at does not involve a retail outlet. UPS, for instance will drop a case of it at your door w/o a signature.
    More likely, we'd ask the state(s) simply enforce current laws to the fullest extent possible - until thsn, there's no need to add more restrictions to anyone.
     
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    Why would someone willing to risk the penalty for murder not be willing to risk the penalty for illegally purchasing guns/ammo?
     
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    You can still reload in California.....
    For now.
     
  12. HonestJoe

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    Presumably that would no longer be legal under the new law though.

    Are you not already? It must be a very quite campaign. ;)

    Who said anything about murder. I just referred to anyone prohibited from owning firearms. They don't necessarily plan to kill anyone at the time.
     
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    Think like a criminal.
    You buy the ammo, have it sent to Uncle Jimmy, Uncle Jimmy sends it to you. No laws broken.
    Unless UPS opens the box (exceptionally unlikely), the ammo gets to your front door.
    Did you break CA law? Maybe, maybe not. Do you care? No. Can CA prove it? Nope.

    What's the difference between now and before the law changed? A mailing label and a little extra shipping cost.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The question is how this law makes us safer.
     
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    Making it harder for the law abiding to exercise their rights makes no one safer.
     
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    Way to stay classy.

    Who said anything about committing a crime? I am still talking about people prohibited from owning firearms. Isn't that what background checks are for after all?
     
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    And, how would you stop it?
     
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    Let me spell it out, in case you can't add 1 + 1

    If someone who shouldn't have a gun has a gun with 5 bullets, do you really think it likely to be worse if they had 20 or 100 bullets??

    Come on, use some basic common sense here.
     
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    Is someone innocent going to be murdered in the commission of a crime, regardless of how much ammunition the criminal individual actually possesses?

    If so, then ultimately what meaningful difference would be served by such?
     
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    The so called "common sense gun laws" are not common nor do they make sense. Even before this it was illegal to import ammunition into California (Commerce Clause violation).

    These laws are violation of the Second Amendment, Commerce Clause, and Equal Protection Clause of the United States Constitution as well as a violation of the Firearm Owner’s Protection Act.
     
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    Background checks on powder and primer sales and a ban on mail ordering components and ingredients.
     
  22. An Taibhse

    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    Sure now. I was raised in one of the most firearm restrictive countries the the world. Being found with a bullet could bring prison time.
    We made guns, powder, cases, and even primers from materials and ingredients found in any hardware/grocery store. We were pre internet, but the know-how was shared anyway. Primers...what stumps many, can be made from simple supplies in any grocer. But, making weapons was for us as pre teens, those older had the real things via the same paths that drugs were distributed...some of those ‘real things’ were pretty ‘big’ real things.
    Only the law abiding are deprived by such measures. Those that depend on weapons for the tools of their trade will have the motivation to find the sources and those sources will never vanish. Technology isn’t something that can be unlearned or unintended.
     
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    If it is a firearm-related restriction, the member An Taibhse has not only demonstrated how to easily defeat such, but also how to do such from an early age, and all in the nation of Ireland.
     
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    Yes, it was on the Isle, but technically considered Northern Ireland, part of the UK. But, you will find similar means of by passing weapons restrictions in many areas of the world. Just launch a few You Tube Queries on weapons building in the Philippines, Pakistan, and even prisons. Or, just query for weapons smuggling anywhere.
    The plans for building various weapons are easily found via the internet and the Darknet. Despite the furor order ‘printed’ guns or 80% ers, CNC programs and instruction could be obtained online that could be used on inexpensive equipment that could be had from sources like Harbor Freight to make things like AR lowers, Sten Bolts, and other Bolts for open bolt autos.
    Then, of course, make it difficult to make guns, there are many, more easier to build destructive weapons than guns.
    Most overlook what children might make, but children are incredibly curious and many might be surprised by what children do as a consequence of being curious children anywhere. In retrospect, I am amazed I didn’t Darwin out before age 16; what I didn’t know should have killed me. Luck? Yeah, loads more than my share.
     
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    What stops one of your relatives from sending you stuff from out of state?
     
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