Father chases down thief who stole car with children inside and beats him to death

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  1. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm a law and order kinda guy, but I also understand the highly emotional and protective protective nature of a mother and father when their kids are in danger and will do anything to protect them.

    The father of three kids beat a man to death after his car was stolen with his 3 kids in it. The father caught up with the thief, a few bystanders jumped into the fray and the car thief is dead. The father has yet to be charged with a crime.

    My thoughts are the father is innocent. If prosecutors want to blame anyone, and I don't think they should, it would be the bystanders who jumped in.

    Thoughts?

     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He had it coming. I know we are supposed to stop beating people once they are no longer a threat, but if I were on the jury, I couldn't vote guilty.
     
  3. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My guess is the father went to work on him and the bystanders finished him off. The father should walk.
     
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    What kind of mother leaves a seven month old baby in a car?
     
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    If a crowd joined in, how do they or how could they know, who struck the fatal blows??
     
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    There are certain percentages of a threat. It appears they went clear down to 0%.
     
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    What the actual fu-

    What? Whaaat?

    Who leaves their kids in the car like that?

    As for the thief.. I have no issues with how people reacted to him other than perhaps going a little overboard with the beating.
     
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    I definitely understand the father's motivations and emotional state and cannot fault him there.

    That said, the law is the law. If he violated it then he should be tried and his guilt be determined that way. As good as it feels for a good guy to kill a bad guy, we are a nation of laws and no emotional state overrides that unless one can prove the father was not sane as a result.
     
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    Happens all the time.

    Its one reason I carry a glass breaker in my vehicle.
     
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    Justice.
     
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    7 months and 18 months?? I think they call that Irish twins.
     
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    I read he was only the father of two of them. Not that he has less right to beat the guy who did it but it fills in some of the details. There will be no outcry for "justice" here.
     
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    Arrest the mother as well. Child neglect.

    If the thief fled and was running away, and the father chased him, down that becomes retribution and not protection.
     
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    That’s something I would do if someone took my kids. And I’d go to jail for a long time.
     
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    Do all the people arguing against any prosecution in this case realise they're saying that if someone wrongly but honestly believed you had committed a serious crime, they should be free to kill you? Even if you think they should be punished for being wrong, you'd still be dead.
     
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    I absolutely understand why Dad did this, but this is exactly why we discourage vigilantism. Fact is that a man was beaten to death when we still don't have evidence he intended to hurt any kids. Jacking a car is not supposed to be a capital offense, and certainly not from a gang beating. People are normally expected to know when a threat is contained. This is also why I am a strong supporter of prosecutorial discretion , and judicial discretion in sentencing. If I were prosecutor I would definitely file charges on everyone for whom it is appropriate. We need some convictions here. But my recommendations in sentencing would be a slap on the wrist for Dad and possibly others, depending when each started and stopped.
     
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    You can kill someone who is committing a felony, particularly when a human life is involved.

    You could, for example, shoot someone trying to rape a woman.

    It's the equivalent of a self defense.
     
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    It is not automatically neglect just because the mother left 3 children in the car to run in and pick up a pizza. It would depend on the neighborhood and whether there was an expectation that a car jacking has a reasonable possibility of taking place. For instance, there is a pizza parlor near where I live that I frequent. The town has a population of about 8,000 and a fairly low crime rate. I would think nothing of leaving the children in the car while I ran in to get a pizza.....however, I would make sure the car was turned off, the brake set, and I would likely lock the doors just to be safe.....and, of course, I would not leave them in the car if it was hot outside. About the only people that would not find in acceptable leaving 3 children it a car for a short time is normally people without children.....or people that live in bad neighborhoods.
     
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    As much as I sympathize with the father, he used excessive force (going by this story). Manslaughter will be the charge.
     
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    What happened when you forget it in the car and the car got locked?
     
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    It all depends. What preceded the attack. If the carjacker was no longer a threat to the father or the children, then he should be charged with a crime.

    You can use deadly force to prevent or stop a violent crime. If you prevent or stop the violent crime through some other means, deadly force is no longer justified.

    Basically, if you tackle a rapist and subdue them, you don't get to stand up and summarily execute them. You've stopped the crime.
     
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    In a car, in the summer when the car can get overheat? That is neglect.
     
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    We don't know at what point the person was subdued.

    Someone who's fighting you isn't subdued until they're in restraints or they're unconscious/incapable of standing.
     
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    That's why I said it depends.
     
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    Really.

    Since the story doesn't say how much force was used, I'd love to hear how you came to that conclusion.
     

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