Father chases down thief who stole car with children inside and beats him to death

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  1. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sure. You can hit someone one time and kill them. You can shoot them 10 times while they're still standing and they survive.

    Point I was making is that you're not subdued until you're no longer capable of fighting back, or completing your crime.

    Typically that means you are no longer able to regain a standing position.

    I shoot you 15 times while you're coming at me with a knife....self defense. If you fall down and can't get back up and I shoot you a 16th time in the head, then I'm in trouble.
     
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    Nope. It's NEVER okay to leave children in a car. And for the record, I have three, live in a safe area, and took every one of them out of the car -every.single.time. Paying for gas. Picking up pizzas. Returning shopping carts to cart bays (I'd pile them IN the cart, then carry and/or walk them back to car). Never once left them alone in a car for longer than it took me to walk from the back door to the front.

    If you can't deal with the minor inconvenience of keeping your kids safe, you should stick to goldfish.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you pay for gas inside or something?

    Even without the kids, who are these people going in stores with the keys in the ignition and the car running?

    That would drive me up the wall crazy to do that even if I didn't have kids in the car.
     
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    rcfoolinca288 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Maybe you should ask the OP that question? Look at his post title.
     
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    Nunya D. Well-Known Member

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    Well, that is your opinion....and that is ok. Some parents are satellite parents. Fortunately the law is not so strict.

    Do your children sleep with you? If not, does that mean they are out of your sight for 8 hours?
     
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    Whats actually happens is a mom has locked her keys in the car, with a kid inside.
     
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    Depends on the temperature. As I said, I wouldn't do it if it was hot.
     
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    Yes, we have to go inside the gas station building itself to pay at the register. There is a card option on most pumps these days, but hardly anyone uses them. We're all just so used to going inside to pay .. even tech-savy youngens don't use the 'machine'. We're rustic and personable folk .. we quite like to go in and say 'good morning' to the human, and maybe pick up a $1 coffee and a newspaper. You know :)

    As for leaving keys in ignition and car running .. what the hell? Never done that in my life. Not even at home in the driveway.
     
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    So your only alternative to dangerous neglect (leaving kids alone in a car), is berserker parenting?

    But FTR, of course our kids slept with us for their first two years. Since they all breastfed that long, and since they were BABIES. Where else would infants sleep? In a room by themselves down the hall, like some banished outcast? A tiny child, detached from the comforting proximity of care-givers? Because that's not unnatural .. at all :?
     
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    Yea....I would never leave the keys in the car or even the car running......kids or not.

    But that reminds me of something I just read:

     
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    All I know is, good luck finding a jury to convict this guy.
     
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    wtf???? I never called them "beserker parents". I did not even say there was anything wrong with satellite parenting.

    wtf again??? A bit hyperbolic, don'tcha think?
     
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    :applause::applause::applause:

    Nice.
     
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    You asked. And yes it was. Cause it was a weird question. I know in theory some people put babies in rooms by themselves to sleep, but I haven't personally encountered it too often.
     
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    After our first child, the wife's mother instructed my wife to not let the baby (girl) sleep in the same room with us after she was 1 years old. Of course we did not listen and was not able to get her to sleep in her own room until she was 5 years old. The mother-in-law said "I told you so". The second child (boy) could sleep duct-taped to the ceiling.
     
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    When I was growing up in Fort Lee, NJ, which is just across the George Washington Bridge from Manhattan, it was not uncommon for people to leave their keys in their ignitions over night. To this day I don't think my mother locks her front door.

    Where I live, Las Cruces, NM, it's not uncommon to see people run into stores with their engine still running and from time to time there are kids in them. Las Cruces still hasn't been touched by what goes on in the big coastal cities so people feel safer here.

    Now I would never leave a kid in a running car while I ran into a store, but the people here think and behave differently. Keep in mind there is a strong Mexican influence here and maybe they're just more trusting than us gringos. I would also add that anyone who moves from here to Philly would quickly learn to lock everything in sight.
     
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    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And how would they know if it was the first or last blow that caused the fatal damage? If it was the first one then there's no way Dad should be charged. If the crowd piled on and killed him then things are different.
     
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    That's what I'm saying. It's just crazyness.

    I mean leaving your keys in the car is just stupid, even without the kids in the car.
     
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    You can beat someone to death with one punch.
     
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    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here's the strange and conflicting irony of your post, and I fully understand where you're coming from, but you're saying it's a crime to trust your fellow men and neighbors in the City of Brotherly Love. Strange, isn't it?
     
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    I live in an area where people go out of their way to tell you that you left your lights on or your windows down (in rain), and yet I would still never leave keys in OR car running. I have no idea why someone would ever need or want to do it. What's the advantage?
     
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    Growing up in the country, it was common for people to leave their keys in their car (at their own home at least...but some did it in the local town). I asked my grandfather why he did that. He told me that a neighbor might have some emergency and need a car quickly. Though this was about 50 years ago.
     
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    I can't think of a single one.
     
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    Maybe they think it's some kind of time-saver? You know ... because turning that key in the ignition gobbles up at least 1 second of your valuable time.
     
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    Where I live it's to leave the AC on. But I live in an area where it's not dangerous to leave a car running.
     

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