American Capitalism at its Best – Is Cancer Treatable Or Isn’t It?

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  1. Creasy Tvedt

    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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  2. Doug1943

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    He might be sincere. A very great scientist, Linus Pauling (leaving aside his naive politics) in his later years, became convinced that megadoses of Vitamin C was a cure for the common cold. He had won the Nobel Prize in chemistry. He had no financial motivation. But people are amazingly good at ignoring contrary evidence and paying attention only to confirming evidence. We see this every day in politics, but it's also a problem in other fields, even among scientists.
     
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    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    Sincere quacks are still quacks, and this particular quack certainly has a financial motivation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burzynski_Clinic

     
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    Alright then, the cure for life is death.
     
  5. Thingamabob

    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That .... and much more will be revealed if you watch the video.
     
  6. Thingamabob

    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I hope you don't have any loved ones who get cancer some day. Save this video link just in case. You know they say that frivolous people thumb their nose at 'this or the other' and only make a dash for redemption when the hour is at hand. Usually too late. Some people have a "chip on their shoulder". You've got a log. Still, you did not review my question to you. But hey, I understand it ain't easy to concentrate on academic subjects with a log on your shoulder.
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    EDIT: Never mind, I just realized you are the one who made those absurd statements on the U.S. Japan surrender thread. There is no way you are going to follow the logic in this thread either.
     
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  7. Thingamabob

    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Whether one is interested in medicine or not ..... the video I linked in the OP is a film "about" the good doctor, his successes, and what he's been through. Towards the end of the film, it deals with most of the efforts and money spent against both him and his discoveries. Something in the region of 127 million dollars have been spent to keep him away from his work. And yet for all of the judicial hardships thrown at him (time and time again) he's come out of it squeaky clean. It makes you wonder why so much money has been invested to discredit him ... I mean why would corporations be so fanatical about the issue? If he were guilty of something he'd be behind bars. Funny how the reaction & responses in this thread prove all of that to be true in such fine detail. It is astounding.

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  8. Doug1943

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    If I watch the video, is this what I'll see: a nice man claiming to have the cure for cancer; some description of what the cure is; testimonies from former patients.
    Anything else?

    If so, please tell us.

    Here's why everyone here, Left and Right, does not take this seriously: what is the motivation behind the alleged attempts to keep this man's wonderful discovery away from the public?

    Everyone in the world fears cancer, even the supposed suppressors. They would have to be not only infinitely evil, but utterly self-sacrificing in their evilness, to suppress a cure that would save near 40% of them and their relatives. (Because that's the approximate percentage of people who will get cancer in the USA.)

    When you think you have found a cure in medicine, you run double-blind randomized tests on a sufficiently large sample size, one group getting the cure, the other getting a placebo, neither of them knowing which they have. (There are more sophisticated variants.) . Otherwise, your results must remain suspect. I can promise you that there hundreds of greedy capitalists who would, if this man has a case, spend a paltry million dollars or so setting up such a test, in return for being able to patent the cure and screw money out of the rest us. Why haven't they done it?
     
  9. Thingamabob

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    Yes.
    Much, much, much more.
    That is a fair request. In fact, the film discusses and explains ... > > >
    > > > ... ALL OF THIS. It is all there. It's a 2-hour video and I don't think they have missed a single detail. But once you've seen it I'd appreciate your criticism on any point. I mean, come on, I have no investment in the video, the doctor, or the treatment he administers. I watched the whole film and I am impressed ... but I (just like you) want to know what is and what isn't. Frankly, his discovery makes sense and so does the reaction of the FDA as far as its' "standard smear procedure" seen in such scandals as the sugar industry, the tobacco industry, the electric car industry, etc. Do you want to know the truth? So do I.
     
  10. Doug1943

    Doug1943 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The problem is, it's two hours out of my life. But ... I've just finished my exam marking, so I'll give it a go sometime this week. Perhaps in return I can recommend a video on Austrian economics?
     
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    More than one has complained about the length but I don't understand why 2 hours is considered such a commitment. After all, it is a subject on life and death and certainly worth a couple of hours. Of course, I am 72 and retired and maybe you young'uns would rather be out cruising in your hot rods, whistling at girls and going to parties and discotheques?
    Sounds good.
    Yes, if you think I'll understand it but I doubt that I will.
     
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    For anyone interested in the struggle against this dreadful disease, the book to read is Professor Mukherjee's The Emperor of All Maladies, which has a good summary of research into cancer and its cure as its final chapter -- it's a few years out of date but is still excellent.
     
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    I'm older than you are, but never cruised in a hot rod, and wouldn't dare whistle at a girl nowadays (you're likely to get a punch in the nose back, and not from her boyfriend either), and never really liked parties, or at least loud ones, and am hopelessly uncoordinated at discotheques. But it's two hours not reading Geoffrey Blaine's A Short History of the World, and re-reading John Dos Passos' USA, which just arrived yesterday. I feel Times' wing'ed chariot hurrying near. Nonetheless ...
     
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    I love it when you can't refute the facts I present and choose to attack me instead. I win.

    You should be happy to hear that most of my family has died due to cancer of one kind or another. To say that there is A cure that could have saved all of them is beyond stupid. So sit back, relax, and smile at the deaths of those who believe differently than you do. Hell, have a coke while you're at it.

    You are being childish because you got called out on your misinformation. Grow up.
     
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    It's an infomercial selling a product.
     
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    I had already watch the video previously, I think the feds treated him wrong, but saw no proof of a cure - I saw people that think they were cured by him, but I have seen people that swear prayer cured them too, I would need more then that

    we do not know what he is giving them, but know the other company thought it was not patent-able, so guessing a natural substance that he is withholding... why?
     
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    The FDA doesn't rule the world. Did he offer his cure to Britain, France, Germany, Japan, India or China?
     
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    Seems to me that your priorities are straight and true but it is a pity you missed out on Friday night cruising in fenderless hot rods and pretty girls swarming all around you at the sock hop. :lol:
     
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    I should have put you on "ignore" back when you made your first absurd outburst. Oh well, better late than never.
     
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    If you recall, the film deals with that question as well.

    Actually, we do know. Antineoplaston therapy. He spells it out and has the patents necessary.
    No, that's not true. They sought and were awarded the patent illegally because Dr Burzynski already had the patent. In other words, they tried to steal it from him but got their fingers burnt. It seems logical then that those companies are covering up.
     
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    A good point. I believe that Japan is actively using his therapy. As for the other countries .... I don't know.
     
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    I am talking about the company that teamed up with him... all I am saying is I am skeptical, would need to see real evidence
     
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    Who wouldn't be?
     
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    They didn't swarm around me. They swarmed around the football players. For some reason, being able to throw a football accurately was more appealing to them than being able to solve a quadratic equation. Women! (Oops! Can't say that now, can we?)
     

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