We are past due for welfare reform

I help the individuals that I want to help. That is freedom. Freedom is good.

 

Welfare state policies can be traced back to the likes of Winston Churchill. Amusing to think that Americans today would see Churchill as a lefty. Shows how far you've fallen!

 

That is probably true. Of course, it makes the employer responsible for doing the job we pay government to do.
IF they weren't here- nobody would hire them. That's why we have a border..... now if we just had politicians that understood what the purpose of a border is.

 

I do, i could give any interested a job application, maybe even a loan for some work boots, beats handing out directions to the welfare office.

 

Helping fellow Americans who have no interest in helping themselves only creates dependencies, never men. It actually does harm; they lose the ability to ever acquire self-esteem or pride.

 

I've looked at the figures for all the welfare programs and I've looked at the qualifications to receive benefits from many states. Immigrants don't get the opportunity to enter the country and exist off of welfare like many on the right wing claim.

Sure, those anchor babies grow on trees in the imaginary world right wingers live in.

 

Why do we need to have "welfare reform"? It is just so Republicans can boast that their policies are resulting in fewer people on the welfare rolls? Meanwhile, the truth of the matter is that they are just kicking people while they are down. Does it give people giddiness to do that? Do they enjoy making other people suffer?

 

Fine, remain in denial. It has no effect on me, unlike my taxes going to illegals.

 

Non citizens do not qualify for or receive welfare.

 

It's not denial, it's someone who actually checked with many online state agencies to see what their qualifications were and California was the first on the list. It's possible for a non-citizen to get some types of public assistance in an emergency and they have to pay it back. Look it up, yourself and stop living in a fantasy world. You can also check eligibility for general programs in wiki.

 

That's pretty funny, but it isn't always that simple. I would hate for a child to go hungry because a parent is a dead beat.

Unfortunately by giving aid we are also encouraging the problem.

 

WE ALL LOVE/EMBRACE NEW RECORDS, thus, let's increase our social spending by $300 billion, and we'll surpass FRANCE.

Who wants to be the world's top social spenders?




https://topforeignstocks.com/2019/0...-a-percentage-of-gdp-in-oecd-countries-chart/

 

God forbid the employer be held responsible for knowingly hiring illegals. Personal responsibility? No?
Do you actually think it’s possible to keep anyone from entering the country illegally? I don’t. Which again is why we need to also crack down on people who willingly hire illegals.

 

Have you done that?

 

Need one?

 

So you don’t actually do that. Just more talk. Got it.

 

OK, you dont need one.

 

I’m all set. But good to know no one else can rely on you to follow through on your talk.

 

You could have a side gig putting together strawmen.

 

I’m just going off what you’ve said. Don’t get mad at me because you’re all talk.

 

Can you read your own chart and explain how our gross public spending is so much compared to other countries (it's the blue)? Try explaining what total net social spending is (reddish) and how your chart confuses two different things to people who can't read a chart, for example, the tax breaks we all get are included in the data. Do you realize, for example, the chart is also showing the contribution to GDP, that's why it's measured as a part of GDP?

 

lol

 

Our total net social spending is the problem. It includes welfare, and several other social related expenses/social related tax breaks.

 

KNOWINGLY...???
Most people here illegally aren't going to say "Oh, and by the way I'm an illegal immigrant" when they apply for work.
Are you aware that you cannot as an employer ask an applicant what race they are?.
Can't ask you IF YOU ARE A US CITIZEN?
Can't ask if you are married?
Can't ask if you take drugs, smoke or drink?
Can't ask how old you are?
Can't ask if you are pregnant?

All those rules are put in place to "protect" the employee- certainly not the employer. Violate them, and the SHTF.

So.... Exactly how is the employer going to know, and why the hell should be be liable for anything he is prohibited from knowing or asking?


We have a border with ports of entry and security for that purpose- which, IF allowed to do the job, would be reducing the problem dramatically. OF course, the jerks in congress have screwed the situation up so badly over the last 50 years that we already have 20 million here illegally. To those immigrants, the whole thing is a joke- and being caught or deported is some sort of cruel and unusual punishment. It's like kids that grossly misbehave because parents have never had the guts to back up their rules with discipline- and laugh at their parent's impotence. Talk about gross incompetence... and it's getting worse, now the same people who have botched the job are bragging on that incompetence, thinking it's something respectable.

The problem requiring the businesses do be immigration police, which is not their job. Now every business is already an unpaid tax collector for both federal and state governments, with no compensation but full liability for proper and timely payments and collections. Since they are already being forced to do that free, why not force them to be immigration police too? That way, they could refuse to hire, turn the illegal in to the local police, which would ignore it and refuse to share it with the immigration police. Then, the feds would come and charge them with violating the labor laws by asking if the applicants were citizens. That would raise money in fines for the government- and you can bet they won't miss that opportunity. You think that's fair?
Nobody want's to do their job when they can pass the buck, do they?

The employers is already carrying vastly more obligations than you as a citizen- what's more, unlike government, when he fails, he gets fined or punished- even though he is not paid for any of it. Government is different. They get paid, don't get the job done, and blame some one else. All the people actually responsible have this mantra that says "Not ME! Not ME!"

But you.... blame the people who aren't getting paid for not doing someone else's job who is getting paid, but is also being blocked by people who have no idea what is really going on- and don't give a damn how it comes out in the end.

Now is it possible to keep people from entering the country illegally?
You damn right it is. All that is needed is sufficient desire to do so. Perhaps never 100%, but 99%. You CAN'T do it by saying please, by not building barriers, by not prosecuting, by not having penalties that make the risk not worth taking.

Is liberalism that much of a drug that the ability to think, to apply a little common sense, just evaporates??

 

Those who hire under-the-table know damn well they are hiring illegals. Stop your nonsense.