Being young, black and male ....

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  1. pitbull

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    ... sometimes causes problems in the US.

     
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    tsk tsk @ when racism's cop said, "or else Ima light your ass up!"


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    The Black kid should sue the county over that, alone, yes right after submitting this recording to the county sheriff and county Prosecutor.
     
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    Few things from my observation.

    1: There are some states where if a cop stops you then you have to legally tell them your name. I don't know if this is one of those states. If it is then the kid should have identified himself. If not then the kid was doing the right thing in keeping his mouth shut. There are some states where you have to identify yourself only if you're arrested for a crime, others where you don't have to say squat. I'd like to know the laws for the state the kids in before making a judgment on that.

    2: IF the kid lives in a state where he does not have to identify himself to a cop then the cop was most definitely in the wrong. ESPECIALLY when he handcuffed the kid. That was too far considering he hadn't identified the kid or gotten a full accurate description of the perp he was looking for.

    3: Looking at it from the cops perspective I can't say I blame him for stopping the kid if the kid remotely fit what description he did have. He was looking for someone and under those circumstances he was right to be wary and wanting to identify someone that appeared to be running from the scene of a crime.

    I would suggest that the cop undergo a bit more training on observing peoples rights.

    As far as the claim of the OP...you have no clue if the kid was stopped just because of his race. Stopping someone fitting the general description of a perp =/= racism like you imply. My wife (then girlfriend) and I was once stopped because the cops thought my car fit the description of another car that they were looking for. Luckily for me I worked at the place were the robbery happened and the security of that place that I worked at vouched for me. I didn't blame the cops for it. Though I did find it funny that they stopped me even though they were looking for a hatchback while I was not driving a hatchback. But my car was the same color as the one they were looking for so...:shrug: Not everything that happens to blacks happens because of their skin color ya know. I know identitarians like to think so but that simply isn't the case.
     
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    And yet you didn't blame the cops for it. Wow.
     
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    I have always produced my identification with police upon any interaction with them, they have never even had to ask. I also don’t feel like I have something to prove or hide.

    I don’t understand why people feel they have to make every situation worse?
     
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    Why would I blame them? They were just doing their job. Or are you suggesting that what I said there that you bolded is me somehow blaming them?? Finding something funny =/= blame. :shrug:
     
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    So they can be victims and cry about it to other people.
     
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    If a cop arrests or detains you for something you did not do compliance with them is still thr best course of action.
    Do what they ask then deal with the problem later.
    Escalating the situation is bad even if the cop is in the wrong.
     
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    Your best course of action is to say nothing to them.
     
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    In my country, refusal to provide ID is instant arrest. Doesn't matter what the situation is, if a LEO officer asks, you have to do it. IMMEDIATELY. Even stalling will visit unpleasantness upon you, and it will be entirely your fault.

    America is ridiculous, with so many *****-foot loopholes on this stuff. Just make it one rule for the entire nation. No one can ever claim ignorance. And it frees up police to actually do their job without fear of being had for looking at someone funny.
     
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    That is the very worst course of action in many places. That will see you cuffed without pause.
     
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    I didn't have an ID when I was 17.
     
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    Not in the US. I should say: The best course of action is to give them a card with a lawyers number on it and say nothing.
     
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    You do have to wonder about that. There is a distinct suggestion of 'defiance disorder' in it, because surely all these individuals are not actual criminals with something to hide. Which leads us to wonder why kids are being raised with a defiance disorder. Clearly, if you can influence your kids to this extent, you could just as easily raise them to do the opposite .. thereby ensuring not just their survival, but likely much easier path through life generally.
     
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    I'm talking about adults, obviously. Kids aren't usually carrying photo ID - but then kids aren't wandering the streets unaccompanied either. Or they shouldn't be. If they are, then that's an issue in itself .. and in the wrong place at the wrong time, could leave them open to being mistaken for a criminal, or worse. A 14 year old nerd in tennis whites walking to the courts on a Saturday morning for his weekly comp, is unlikely to be mistaken for a gangsta, for egs. A 17 year old non-nerd wandering urban streets at night, well that's never going to be a good idea .. no matter what colour he is. Puts him at risk from a variety of possible dangers .. including police attention.
     
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    That's absurd. How on earth are LE supposed to get anything done?
     
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    The only mistake this PoPo made was saying "or imma light your @ up". Everything else was done politely and reasonably. This kid would have been cuffed very quickly here, and the officers would not have been as patient and relatively sweet as this old hillbilly.

    Having said that, if you're not an uncoomperative twerp like this kid, you will be treated professionally and civilly.
     
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    Get what done exactly? Lets take the cop in that video. He's supposed to be looking for a robber. Instead He's just trying to make an arrest, even though the kid doesn't even match the description or have anything stolen on him. The police are not our friends. I've never had a positive interaction with the police. I generally will give them my ID. (Keep in mind a 17 year old doesn't necessarily have one.) But thats only to speed along the encounter.

    Your duty is to protect your own self interest, not assist law enforcement. Cops railroad people all the time just to make arrests. Say as little as you have to.

    Also that cop should of been fired a long time ago for being so out of shape.
     
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    Seems like if he just talked to him, and cooperated it wouldn't have been a problem.

    When you act like you are hiding something it makes police suspicious.
     
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    they aren't anybody's friend.

    probably because of you. I don't believe this narrative that there's some sort of Boogeyman out to get you.
    more of the boogeyman out to get your nonsense I just don't believe you.

    So it should only ever be young physically fit idealistic people serving in the police department?

    it seems like you don't want there to be police at all you just want there to be anarchy. That's been tried before and it's always a failure.
     
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    Yeah, when I was sixteen and got rousted by the police I would show them my library card.
     
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    Ridiculous. Saying that cops shouldn't be out of shape slobs threatening to taser people over nothing=a call for anarchy. Get real.
     
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    He wasn't threatening to taser him over nothing. He was threatening to taser him for not cooperating and he was not cooperating.

    And it's a bit judgy of you to call someone a fat slob just because they're overweight. Older people generally aren't in as good a shape as young people.

    He may be able to do the job very well you don't know. And you're not doing it.
     

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