FoxHastings said: ↑ No, and it's not a legal person either. Why is it a bad law? IF it was a legal person the woman would have all the more right to have it taken out It does not authorize the killing of humans, it preserves the rights of women to their own body. Reason gets thrown out the window when it's claimed that a fetus has more rights than the woman it's in and everyone else. Translation: " I can't address your points". IF that isn't the translation then state where you think I'm wrong.....
FoxHastings said: ↑ No, and it's not a legal person either. Why is it a bad law? IF it was a legal person the woman would have all the more right to have it taken out It does not authorize the killing of humans, it preserves the rights of women to their own body. Reason gets thrown out the window when it's claimed that a fetus has more rights than the woman it's in and everyone else. fmw said: ↑ You are repeating yourself. I don't want another ride on the carousel. Best of luck to you."" FoxHastings: Translation: " I can't address your points". IF that isn't the translation then state where you think I'm wrong..... When someone says silly things like " Run along" it says a lot about their desire to control others....which is typical of Anti-Choicers. You did not address/refute/prove wrong any of my points...
Don't understand how you reach that conclusion other than we must be on different pages - Most of the entire abortion debate rests on the question of personhood and/or whether or not the zygote - and the stages that come later - is a human.
FoxHastings said: ↑ No, and it's not a legal person either. Why is it a bad law? IF it was a legal person the woman would have all the more right to have it taken out It does not authorize the killing of humans, it preserves the rights of women to their own body. Reason gets thrown out the window when it's claimed that a fetus has more rights than the woman it's in and everyone else. fmw said: ↑ You are repeating yourself. I don't want another ride on the carousel. Best of luck to you."" FoxHastings: Translation: " I can't address your points". IF that isn't the translation then state where you think I'm wrong..... When someone says silly things like " Run along" it says a lot about their desire to control others....which is typical of Anti-Choicers. You did not address/refute/prove wrong any of my points... Why should I "run along" ?? Is your control issue running amok ? You want me to "run along" because I proved you wrong so many times? Well, that's a good 'escape" for YOU but do you honestly think I have to do what you say ??
No it doesn't actually, despite anti-abortion desires. The true issue is that of the woman's bodily autonomy. Her decision to decide who and when uses her body and when. It doesn't matter if that which is feeding on her bodily functions is human or not, person or not. It is her right to discontinue that reliance at any time.
Okay...IF the thing inside the adult citizen female IS a person then it is illegally using that citizen and committing physical assault, she then has a right to defend herself. IF it is NOT a person then it is a part of her and she can do with herself as she pleases.
Are we limiting this assumption of illegally using the woman to those wanting an abortion? Because the ZEF in a woman wanting it there, wouldn't be there illegally.
You didn't mention consent in the post, which is why I asked if there was a limiting factor. Your post, most likely unintentionally, implies that all ZEF's would be illegally using the citizen, as you put it, even with the consent of the citizen.
I understand the bodily autonomy argument and agree with it. This however does not change the fact it has not been proven that a zygote is a living human nor does it change the fact that assuming that a zygote is a living human allows for good arguments against the bodily autonomy argument.
When one becomes self aware, that is the standard being currently used for robotics and artificial intelligence. so imagine if we used that for a carbon base lifeform. Age about 2 until unconscious or coma.
The zygote is obviously alive and clearly human. It is not however a human being or a person until born....only at that point does it become separate from the human being it once lived within.
And God/Mother Nature/Allah/Shiva/Buddha/Odin/The Flying Spaghetti Monster is the biggest abortionist of all...
And the ONLY way that doesn't involve making women slaves of their own bodies. (with the Republican Party as their overseers) Keep in mind if you don't WANT an abortion, NOBODY IS EVER SAYING YOU HAVE TO HAVE ONE.
True, the estimate is that more than HALF of all pregnancies spontaneously fail. We have no real idea of how many because they occur before the woman has any idea she is pregnant and are usually just seen as part of a normal menses cycle
I use all caps for emphasis, there are things that people don't seem to understand easily here. Also caps goes on and off right quick. I've had times when I had to leave the board just to make italics switch off And just to make sure we're straight, you aren't arguing that if we ever permit abortions they become mandatory, are you? No offense but you'd be surprised at the number of people who seem to think that.
You are welcome to read my negative comments about abortion all over this board. How does not being mandatory make everything OK? Well, it doesn't.
Aleksander Ulyanov said: ↑ And the ONLY way that doesn't involve making women slaves of theNoir own bodies. (with the Republican Party as their overseers) Keep in mind if you don't WANT an abortion, NOBODY IS EVER SAYING YOU HAVE TO HAVE ONE. ... it doesn't make it less right....