So its 3 years in the trumps presidency but no state visit to Germany yet

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  1. Tim15856

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    From what I recall from reading events leading up to the war you are correct that Italy was allied with Germany, but the Kaiser did something to piss them off. Italy may not have declared war on Germany early in the war because they had their hands full with Austria/Hungary.
     
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    I have not read the Thread. Has Trump ever been asked to go there...invited?
     
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    When researching my useless stepson's behavior I found that there is some disagreement of the differences between sociopathic and psychopathic traits. But you sure fit the profile of some of the cases in this book.
    https://www.amazon.com/Sociopath-Next-Door-Martha-Stout/dp/0767915828
    No conscience, no empathy, no compassion, able to put on an act to hide those tendencies. In addition, sociopaths see other people as play things to be manipulated and taken advantage of. While these traits are fairly common with the rich and powerful it sure isn't good for this type of person to be in law enforcement, especially if they carry a gun.
     
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    He is very close to his grandfather who was SS.
     
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    My grandfathers were both born after the war.
     
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    great grandfather?
     
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    Yes.

    But why a danger? I know at least 3 comrades who are similar to me. We are considered very good in what we do. I think im even better in this duty, simply because i act more rational.
     
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    But you claim to have little to no morality. A person like that can justify any action they take.
     
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    The lack in morality is compensated by rationality.
     
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    Hitler believed his lack of morality was being compensated by rationality when he blamed the Jews for losing WW1 and punished them by rounding up the families and slowly starving them to death in concentration camps. The understanding between right and wrong comes from a sense of morality not rationality. People on average spend about 80% of their life justifying the things they do.
     
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    Hiter was full or morals. He was not rational in most of his decissions. He let the british get away at Dunkirk because hs rotten ideal of soldiers honor.

    If i would have been in charge, not a single brit in Dunkirk would have been left alive. Hitler also declared war at USA out of his rotten honor morals to hold his primise to Japan. if i would have been a decission maker then, i would have fallen the japs in the back. The brits crushed at dunkirk, the americans kept out of the theatre. Thats rational
     
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    Let me explain you the thing. My decissions are driven by rational. I have several goals in my mind. Good for me, my nation and my family.

    This is achieved by a certain order i´m bound to. Our legal code does not allow me to kill you without reason (like self defense). If i shot you just for fun i face consequences, which i obviously dont like.

    If your existence contradicts aboved named goals, you could be killed if its necessary to achieve said goals. Like if we are in a german liner that sinks. You are your family takes place in the life boats which should be used for Germans -> your life would be definitly be in danger. And even then order would prevail in my rationality, since killing you or your family could either start a panic or have negative effects on my future.

    I would use my authority and order you and your family to follow me and lock you up down in the ship. You would follow the liner on the sea floor, and under the given circumstances nobody would bother about it, since nobody knows.

    Problems only arise under very specific conditions. If i´m taken out of my order or there would be zero consquence for my actions. For example you should never do a hiking with me into the australian norther territory. I love wildlife and seein a saltwater crocodile tearing apart a human would be something i could not say no to.

    Im not an expert in this field, but i thik my condition is linked with intelligence. I always felt smarter than others. I found my teachers in school to be retarded and could easily manipulate them.

    Even so i feel no morality, i know exactly what others expect me to feel. I can wear morality or empathy like a mask.

    We get each 3 months a rating and my superiors always give me very grade rates, infact they even bring up my high moral code and empathy towards others.
     
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    Hitler was full of morals? Oh my! Hindsight is always 20/20. It's easy to learn from someone else's mistakes. It was Hitler's ego and a corporal's mentality that became a problem for his much smarter generals later on in the war. Hitler believed he was the smartest person in the room. Are you also that type of person because you do sound like you are full of yourself? And you like Hitler hold a lowly position as a police officer. Get back to me when you gain more experience in your job and life and hold a higher position where you are placed in charge of men's lives. You will see things differently trust me.
     
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    The area where Sobo's family is from in East Germany harbored many German SS troops hiding from the US and Russia. His family was angry at Americans for using mock executions to get information from the people to give up the SS troops before the Russians arrived and took over the area. His family was caught on the Soviet Union side of the iron curtain. I can only imagine the horrors that were inflicted on his family by the Russians.
     
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    My home is filled with sony, toshiba and panasonic. I have both forks and chopsticks just like japanese homes.
     
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    No, because i´m smart. I´m not a loud person.
     
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    Actually non. Life went on.

    Dont make up **** here. Where do you think SS Troops ended? They became new police chief, politician or business men after the war. Some even made it in USA. Like Wernher von Braun.
     
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    I wonder why that is, are there no American products?
     
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    There are, they are just not very popular.

    Trump knows that. For example we offered USA to reduce tariffs on cars down to zero. Trump is scared by this, because americans buy german cars but germans dont buy american cars.
     
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    So everyone in Germany drives a Mercedes or BMW?
     
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    NO, German brands like Mercedes, VW and BMW are leading. Japanese models and koreans also have sucess. brands like GM or Chrysler are almost non existant.

    Most american cars dont offer what a german driver wants.

    Here much tech gimmicks + speed + good acceleration are what people want add effiecient fuel consumption. American cars simply dont match that.

    Only american producer who does good in Germany is Ford.

    Ford is the only american company in our market that makes it in the top 15 brands.

    https://de.statista.com/statistik/d...e-marktanteile-der-automarken-in-deutschland/
     
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    Of course, but there's no german products.
     
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    He has a point. I've read that most German drivers enjoy the "feel of the road" when they drive thus they prefer cars with stiffer suspensions. American drivers on the other hand prefer extremely smooth rides which means suspensions far more flexible and absorbent than the vehicles preferred by Germans.

    Also Germans have far higher standards far the vehicles they have on their roadways than Americans. In the U.S. basically if it can go down the road reasonably safely then its legal. But in Germany you can't get away with driving a vehicle with mix matched doors or a rusted out trunk door or tailgate.
     
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    The bigger question is, why american companies are not able to make cars that germans like? The japs and korean are able to do that.

    This is trumps biggest weakness in his argumentation. He told Merkel that Germans dont buy american cars, she responded: then build cars german customers like.

    Its not that american car companies dont want to, they actually tried alot, but its like they dont understand the market
     

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