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Germany blocks airspace for a Boeing 737 MAX and forces it to land in France

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  1. Sobo

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    2017 is 100 years ago?
     
    Sobo, Aug 10, 2019
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    Losing 36 billion and falling means alot.

    They now say 787 is delivered with lose screws, trash inside and lose cables. KLM send a 787 back and airlines dont take aircrafts build in south carolina anymore.
     
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    You've got link for that "screws,trash &loose cables"?

    Boeing's had their issues before and they've bounced back....wishful thinking on your part it seems.
     
    zoom_copter66, Aug 10, 2019
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    You got it wrong.
     
    Thedimon, Aug 10, 2019
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  5. Sobo

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    Sobo, Aug 10, 2019
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    No i got it right. The design of the MAX fo example was done from Boeing India...the software MCAS also developed in India.

    Hey tell me, how you judge Boeings panic idea to use Airbus engines and place them under Boeing 737...and because being bigger than 737 engines...move them forward so the entire aircrafts center of gravity got compromised...making a software ecessary to correct that flaw. A software that depends on a single sensor.
     
    Sobo, Aug 10, 2019
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    Your lack of education is kicking in here.
    Engineering was done on the US. Indians just a project - we give you input parameters and we want you to write software that produces another set of parameters (output).
    Software development is not aircraft engineering.
     
    Thedimon, Aug 10, 2019
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    Boeing 787 MAX is the only civilian airliner right now that is not able to fly without its software. So its software is integral part of its engineering.
     
    Sobo, Aug 10, 2019
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    Not hard at all. What does a German airspace ban mean ?
    Not much to the USAF
     
    Robert E Allen, Aug 10, 2019
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    Dutch, Aug 10, 2019
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    What a banned airspace means? That the aircraft is not allowed to fly into German airspace. Its quite easy to understand, right?

    Here you see its trak. It circled over France until forced to land in France

    [​IMG]
     
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    I've just flown over Germany on the way home from Europe.

    Did not notice it.
     
    Dutch, Aug 10, 2019
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    An empty Boeing 737 MAX?

    So?
     
    Dutch, Aug 10, 2019
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    They should have just landed in Germany, what werr they gonna do, shoot it down? Kind of defeats the purpose of denying it entry in the first place.

    In reality this is all hysteric bullshit. Legitimately every non-aeroplane vehicle in Germany has a greater death toll per km or hour travelled, take your pick.
     
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    How about German pilots flying into the ground? :confusion:
     
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    But of course it is bought by many countries. British Airways have just bought 200 aircraft (737 MAX no less!) and Airbus was not even told until the MOU was signed. What a slap across Germans faces! :hug:
     
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    if it breached german airspace, our airforce would have send fighter jets to escort it to the nearest airport. When it landed in Germany it would have been confiscated, its crew put into prison. This aircraft has no certification, is not insured. Norwegian Airlines would have lost its landing slots in Germany and with this in the entire EU and would file for bancruptcy.
     
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    Smash the controls a bit so you have a pretext to urgently land in Germany.

    Have the crew convert to Judaism so the Germans feel guilty and let you in.
     
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    I find it amusing, you now need to "smash your controls" to land your garbage here?

    Latest news show that also the 787 is flawed.

    I mean all know that Boeings are garbage, but now it gets dangerous. The 737 is a flawed design. Its center of gravity is not balanced and it goes into a stall without software support.

    Keep in mind its flight is banned in all of Europe. The rest allows empty transfer flights but Germany goes a step further and bans it completly.

    Out of own experience i can say, that Boeings are garbage. Last year when we did fly Australia we had a A380 from Frankfurt to Dubai. It was awesome. Silent, great air inside and calm flight. From Dubai to Adelaide...we had a Boeing 777 extended range and it was pure horror. It was crowded, loud and the air extremly dry.
     
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    At first I was going to rely on the competence and good sense of the pilot. Then on the naked cupidity of the airlines. At this point I find trains soo relaxing, (not plunging into the ground at 500 mph works wonders for the digestion)

    WTF is going ON here anyway? Is dying in a plane crash for the good of Boeing the latest thing in sacrifices required of American citizenry? Is this the newest twist in Trump's management style? "That latest crash was all fake news. Your family's charred and dismembered corpses will arrive this evening on time. Blame Socialist Democrats and thank you for your continued faith in America and Free Enterprise.'
     
    Aleksander Ulyanov, Aug 10, 2019
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    You missed my point. My point was that if America wanted to penetrate German airspace we could do so at will.
     
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    cheap overseas programing, everything is outsourced to India anymore

    do we really want self driving cars?
     
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    Thats from janury, before the 2nd crash.

    Now Boeing sales collapse

    https://www.kloepfel-consulting.com/en/supply-chain-news/business/boeing-sales-collapse-37666/

    With 90 aircraft delivered, Boeing’s sales fell by 54 percent. Deliveries of the 737 models fell from 137 to 24 aircraft. The 737 MAX model may no longer be delivered due to the worldwide launch bans imposed in March. The most recently delivered aircraft are older models of the 737 series.

    Airbus, on the other hand, is doing more than well: in the first half of 2019, sales increased by 28 percent compared to the previous year with 389 aircrafts sold.

    Already in 2018 it became critical for Boeing with the title of the world’s largest aircraft manufacturer: Last year a total of 806 aircraft were delivered, while Airbus sold 800. Airbus was therefore unable to achieve its target of 810 to 815 deliveries.
     
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    And we can shot down and could do so at will. So what now?

    I think the Flugabwehrkanonenpanzer Gepard from Rheinmetall would do quite well against a 737 MAX

    [​IMG]
     
    Sobo, Aug 10, 2019
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    Sure you will.....those 50k+ US troops at Ramstein&Weisbaden say....let's see you try.
     
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