Donald Trump stopping US government scientists from speaking out publicly

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  1. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trumps policies look more and more like those they had in Soviet Union.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...A0l25kqi_iQ7H9UP6qSyDcRkns6pMuaIJx4kfoYYvJjMs

    The Trump administration’s decision to stop Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) officials and other government staff from speaking out publicly has prompted the country’s leading scientific organisation to warn against “censorship and intimidation”.

    The American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), the largest scientific society in the world, said many federal agencies had policies that “prohibit political interference” in how they relay information to the public.


    And the World Resources Institute think tank said the move to stop the “free flow of information” would have a “chilling effect on staff”.
     
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    Why am I not surprised. trump is just acting like the people he admires.
     
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    Lol. That's funny, i have been around lots of government scientists. Mostly fisheries biologists. What they say in private is vastly different than what they say in public.
    Government scientists are always sensored. Yup even under Obama.
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, they are not always censored, but apparently will be going forward thanks to Trumps commie attitude.
     
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    Go get involved on fisheries on the west coast.
     
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    DC is a left wing paradise and left wing politics infect many of the agencies. When the EPA decided to go dark on the 'science' determining the claim that CO2 was a pollutant back during the Obama administration no one appeared to be bothered by that.
     
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    This administration is forbidding the publishing of their findings.Trump learns from his heroes Putin ad L'il Kim.
     
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    Your claim that they have always been censored (aka forbidden to speak in public) is simply not true.
     
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    Makes me wonder what he is so afraid of. What does he think those scientists would say if they were allowed to speak.

    This is the least transparent admin this country has ever had. Maybe Trump does not even realize he works for the American people.
     
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    The EPA works for the president. Get back to me when someone not in the executive branch of government is censored. There's lots of things that the government can't/won't tell you.
     
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    We are talking about science, not national security documents.

    What is Trump so afraid EPA might tell the American people? Is he afraid they would talk about their findings about climate change? Or maybe he fears they would tell the truth about Trump himself, and his political interference in their work.
     
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    https://www.ucsusa.org/center-scien...ng-scientific-integrity/scientist-survey-2018

    But what do scientists themselves think? What does the Trump administration's assault on federal science look like to the people who experience it every day in their workplaces?

    We decided to ask. In February and March 2018, in partnership with the Center for Survey Statistics and Methodology at Iowa State University, we surveyed more than 63,000 scientific experts employed by the federal government. Their responses are compiled in our report, Science Under Trump: Voices of Scientists across 16 Federal Agencies, and in several fact sheets focused on specific agencies (see box).

    The results should be disturbing to anyone who believes that government science has a crucial role to play in making the United States a safer, healthier nation. Federal scientists describe a broad range of problems, including workforce cuts, censorship and self-censorship, political interference, and undue industry influence. Unsurprisingly, these problems have taken a toll on morale, making it hard for scientists to do their jobs effectively.
     
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    Don't care. Regular people aren't being censored. Private sector scientists exist.
     
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    You should care. What if there was a contagious disease which CDC knows about, but are forbidden to talk about? These people serve the American public, but now they are micromanaged to a point where they can't do their jobs.
     
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    Survey results show that 20 percent of all respondents named either "influence of political appointees in your agency or department" or "influence of the White House" as one of the greatest barriers to science-based decisionmaking. 50 percent of all respondents either agreed or strongly agreed that consideration of political interests hindered their agencies' ability to make science-based decisions. Respondents from the EPA showed particular concern about political influence, with 81 percent agreeing or strongly agreeing that it was a hindrance, and nearly a third naming it as a top barrier, to science-based decisions.
    https://www.ucsusa.org/center-scien...ng-scientific-integrity/scientist-survey-2018
     
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    They are forebidden from sharing their true thoughts in public. They have to tow the organizational line regardless what their research says.
     
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    I don't care largely because I have very little faith in anything the government says anyway.
     
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    The EPA regulation on CO2 was not science based but activist based so...
     
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    Depends on the politics because if they were truthful about climate change then the whole alarmist pap would crumble.
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You daring, or not caring is irrelevant.
     
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    That's probably not as true as you think it is. Unless you're totally living off the grid, and barter for everything, you probably depend on a reasonably competent government a lot more than you think you do. I mean, you don't think the DMV is lying when they tell you it's time to renew your license. Or that you'll have to pay a bribe to the DMV person. We take a lot of things for granted in this country.
     
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    The EPA is government not civilian
     
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    Oh yes, I know they're telling the truth when it's about something they're forcing me to do, like renew a driver's licence (which is a state matter anyway). They don't joke about my obligations to them. But when it's about anything that they were in charge of doing that is supposed to inform or help me, they're very often full of ****.

    And just because the government is "reasonably competent" doesn't mean they're trustworthy. They were highly competent when they performed secret illegal and immoral experiments on US citizens and got away with it for decades (MKUltra). Because they lied about it the whole time.
     
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    To you. Just like you caring about this is irrelevant to me.
     
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    That's likely because they don;t want the department politicized, as some 'activists' tend to do. Even the article you posted calls the head of the EPA, Scott Pruitt, "a climate science denier". Really? Who doesn't believe in 'climate science'?

    It's silly.
     

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