Warnings over 'Texodus' as Republicans flee after mass shooting

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  1. rahl

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    Well no, you can’t. You are bound by the constitution. You can’t get rid of “anchor babies” unless you pass an amendment repealing the 14th.
     
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    I have hope for Texas. These guys and gals are based there:

    https://www.youtube.com/user/TheAtheistExperience
     
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    You should probably read Section 5 of the 14th Amendment. No amendment is needed. If you can't comprehend reading the whole damn Amendment then you need not be commenting on it like the rest of the herd.
     
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    The amendment is written in plain English. Anyone born in US soil is a US citizen. This is long settled law. US v Wong Kim Ark.

    If you wish to do away with birthright citizenship, you will need an amendment repealing the 14th. That is the legal reality.
     
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    In the US v Wong Kim Ark case, who was the anchor baby of illegals?
     
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    If any state opted out, others would follow. If Texas said it was leaving, California and Hawaii would follow inside a day. Others would as well though how that falls into place is up in the air, Vermont wants (most active secessionist movement in America) out but it's not leaving if everyone else in NE stays for example. Not sure if it's be a civil war or passive like the Soviet collapse.
     
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    Back then it was probably leftist Native Americans holding out "welcome" signs, screaming at the sky, and telling everyone they identified as eagles or something.
     
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    Where did I say Wong was an anchor baby of illegals? Chief Justice gray was quite clear in his ruling. Anyone born on US soil is a US citizen. The status of the parent is irrelevant, unless they are foreign diplomats or an invading army.
     
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    Oregon and Washington are the same way.

    People come from cities around the country bring their nasty socialist politics and recreate the crap they just moved away from.
    Thus taking great places like Portland Oregon ruining the quality of life and destroying the environment. While saying they are for saving it by the way.
     
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    No US state wants to actually leave the union. As soon as the first tried, it would quickly be dealt with.
     
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    What about American Indians? They weren't citizens.

    What about American Samoans? American Samoa is US territory but their residents are not US citizens?

    Think Chief Justice Gray missed a spot or two?
     
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    California is the world's #5 economy. Imagine if they could ignore tariffs and pursue independent trade deals? Texas is placed perfectly to dominate pan-American maritime trade, still has plentiful oil reserves, has a power grid not dependent on outside infrastructure. Imagine if THEY were unleashed? New England dominates the fishing industry in the western North Atlantic, has a booming agricultural and tourism sector and if they rope in Pennsylvania and New York they'd be a major oil and financial player as well. If every state along the Mississippi banded together, they'd own maritime trade to Europe via the Panama Canal and wouldn't have any issues feeding themselves.

    And on and on it goes. The more isolationist America becomes, the more profitable indepence becomes. Throw in cutral devids and union becomes even less tenable. It'll be a major economic power to go 1st, none of the small states will do anything without political and economic cover but once it happens others will seriously consider following.
     
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    Take it up with him. But his ruling was quite clear. Anyone born on US soil is a US citizen.
     
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    I just showed that was false.

    When cherry picking court cases to make your point in the future, look for ones in which the case history is similar to whatever argument you are trying to make. That wasn't the case in Wong Kim Ark so it was relatively easy to point out the flaws.

    Better luck in your future legal endeavors.
     
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    Back then, Texas was a much smaller place and the Comanche were regularly raiding the settlements.
     
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    No you didn’t, as it’s written in plain English in his ruling.

    Wong ruling specifically says anyone born on Us soil is a citizen, lol.
     
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    And I just showed you it wasn't true lol.
     
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    No, you didn’t. You could only do so, if you quoted the Wong ruling saying they weren’t citizens. But, since it says EVERYONE born on US soil is a citizen, you remain as incorrect as you were the first time.
     
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    While every bit of that is true. The path from here to there would be very costly. Secession shouldn't be taken lightly. Unwinding the tentacles of the federal government would be very painful. Social security, military members, military assets, the national debt, energy and infrastructure, US entanglements and responsibilities, would all be prominent issues. I think secession is only a last resort because of all of this, unless a rogue state decides to force our hand. I don't know if the US would have the guts to go to war to keep California or Texas, but it would suck for everyone either way, at least for a while.
     
  20. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Oh bull **** too. If any one or even several states ever even broached the idea seriously the Feds would arrest their governments enmasse. Seceding from the Union may be our "right" in some courts and according to some people but it is also the very definition of HIGH TREASON if the government doesn't agree.

    You seem to forget that our bloodiest war by far was the ACW. Well over half a million lives have settled the secession question some 150 years ago. We make a great fetish of freedom in the USA but in end our government is as jealous of our real power over our citizenry as is any other. These people are SERIOUS about this **** and no actual manifestations or intimations of independence are going to be tolerated
     
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    Arrest who en masse? Which states have a small enough population that the feds could arrest enough of them to make a difference? No state would ever try and secede without a majority support, and thats way too many people to 'arrest.' Are we even talking about the same thing?
     
  22. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Mainly Spaniards, "Texico" first declared itself independent of Mexico in 1819, before Mexico had entirely become separate from Mexico itself. The Americans were very helpful but Texas was made independent mainly by Hispanics
     
  23. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Note revision, they would arrest the GOVERNMENT en masse. Which they did in Maryland. They held them in prison with cannon directed on our OWN City Hall from the historic Battery Park..

    A large part of the early Civil War was due to the fact that nobody took it seriously. That won't happen again.
     
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    Im sure that would convince the citizenry they were better off in the union... lol

    After that, about 10000 marylanders left to fight for the south, and 50000 left to fight for the north. It doesnt appear maryland had anywhere near a majority supporting secession, which is the only reason martial law was successful in preventing it- it wasn't popular.
     
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  25. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    It didn't seem to bother most Marylanders back then. We did field units for both sides but many States did that and there was no real kind of grassroots resistance, though it was feared.

    Do you honestly think for a minute that people nowadays would care? Quick, without looking, who is your State representative?
     
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