This Country Needs to Split

Do both sides get to move commercial goods and bulk commodities on the Mississippi? Or do only capitalists want to?

Assuming the channel is the new dividing border, of course.

 

Gun laws are needed. If we require training and obtaining a license to drive a car, we should be equally stringent with those who want to buy guns.

Obamacare wasn't forced. Most of the young, healthy people I know, including one of my own kids, opted to pay the tax/penalty since that was a lot less expensive than health insurance. And now that the individual mandate has been repealed, they don't even have to pay that anymore. No one is being forced to buy coverage. And the ACA, as unwieldy as it is right now, is still better than what the insurance companies were pedaling before.

How are sanctuary cities affecting those who don't live there? What is the forced negative effect that sanctuary cities are forcing on you?

What higher taxes? Didn't Trump give us all a tax break? Oh, wait ... I keep forgetting, conservatives only cut taxes for the rich. Look at our national budgets over the last 40 years, POTUS by POTUS:

https://www.google.com/search?q=cha...d=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=f5vxqKCoQT1upM:

The only time since Kennedy that the deficit has not risen, indeed has decreased, is during the administrations of Carter and Clinton, both Democrats. The only reason Obama could not show the same was due to the deep recession that began in the year prior to his election. No one was going to get us out of that hole in a mere eight years. We're lucky we didn't end up with a world wide catastrophic depression.

What harm has the LGBTQ-etc community done to you? How have they forced anything on you besides tolerance?

None of the things you listed are being forced on you. You're just listening to those who hate, and who justify that hate by blaming others for their problems. Even the worst case scenario, of the Dems taking the White House and the Senate, won't be nearly as hard for you to endure as Trump has been for me.

 

Correct it is. You still haven't explained how gay marriage is connected to transgender movement? Being able to legally marry has nothing to do with which bathroom a transgender uses. You do realize that, right?

 

Polygamy and an even bigger able-bodied welfare draw on the US Treasury will likely come next.

 

Based on what specific evidence?

 

We already have gun laws. What many dems are proposing is further restrictions and ultimately confiscation.

Since I have a job, i wasn't forced into Obamacare. But, my employer and insurance company had to make significant changes because of it, which lead to my once very good health insurance plan to become downright terrible. Less coverage, more expensive, and an insane deductible.

Who's paying for the people in sanctuary cities? Who's going to pay for health care for illegals? Every single Dem candidate said they would provide free healthcare to illegals. Again, where's that money coming from?

Trump did give us a tax break, and things have started looking better. Obama was a nightmare, everything from his stimulus package to cash for clunkers, etc.

The LGBETQ has forced a lot of things on a lot of people, some of which I already wrote about. Forcing churches and private businesses to do things against their beliefs. Forcing little girls to share bathrooms with deranged 'men'. Having trans people read stories to kindergarten kids. Forcing, by threat, people to alter their language (can't say 'he' or 'she' anymore). And as I said earlier, this is just the beginning.

Now you tell me, what has Trump specifically done to you? Said some mean things that hurt your feelings?

 

Wild ex-Mormon heretics who left the True Mormon Church, married many wives, had almost countless children, and systematically devised methods of drawing as much as possible out of the US Treasury, which they have done. And some Muslims who do the same with the long range goal of taking down the USA by bringing financial weakness and bankruptcy upon it.

 

I don't think you understand that Obamacare is. You stated, you "weren't forced into Obamacare"....Obamacare isn't an insurance plan.

What coverage did you lose?

The insane deductible has nothing to do with Obamacare. The high deductible is the trend employers were already heading towards to help lower the premiums they pay for employees to have health insurance, even before Obamacare. In fact, HDHPs actually started in 2004.
I remember in the 90s when ER copay was $25, then it slowly went to $50, then $75 and so on well before Obamacare.

 

That isn't evidence that the country will go that route.

 

Wouldn't it be better not to have a clue, than to be repeating fake news from the right wingnut media?

So if the right wing mantra is that we shouldn't have anything that benefits Americans because it might entice immigration, and therefore we shouldn't have universal healthcare, a good education system, a safety net or a great economy like the one that Obama built.

 

Less an exception, more we did all our genociding outside living memory.

 

You call liberals treasonous, but it's you who is calling for destroying the nation, NOT liberals. You claim the left has become extreme, yet it has been the conservative right who have become ever more extreme in their views & their unwillingness to compromise. It started in 1994, with pronouncements from Newt Gingrich, preaching non-compromise as a new tactic for conservatives. It intensified in 2010, with the so-called Tea Party extremists, & has gotten progressively more extreme since. I disagree with most of your post here, for it is so biased & hateful toward your opponents, without recognizing or even mentioning the leading role conservatives have played & continue playing in this polarization & division of our nation.

As a liberal, I don't support division or separation or the tearing apart of America. You do. As a liberal, I support the return of civil behaviors between political opponents, & the re-unification of America under political parties willing & anxious to work together on common ground for the benefit of our nation. You don't. As a liberal, & a human being & as an American, I support individual human rights for all. You appear to support those rights only for those who you regard as part of your group. I don't hate anyone--even those who disagree with me. Trump & his supporters seem to be filled with hatreds. I share none of them, but I don't advocate separating those who hate from our American community. I propose helping them grow beyond their hatred.

 

I am a Democrat, & in all my life, I've NEVER met or heard of a Democrat who idolized Booth. Where in the world do you people get these strange, offensive, totally inaccurate false facts?

 

Why is your concentration placed so strongly on the division, disruption, & dissolution of America rather than its healing & preservation?

 

I know what you mean, having some Native American ancestry myself.

I didn't mean just wiping out hopelessly outgunned indigenous people. Those were hunts, not fights.

I meant when two more or less evenly-matched groups go at it, as in Northern Ireland, Yugoslavia, Georgia, India during partition, Sri Lanka, etc etc etc dreary etc.

Of course the Native Americans did this all the time, but their numbers were not great and their low cultural level didn't let them do really wholesale killing.

Plus I think in primitive societies there is a tendency just to kill the males above about the age of ten, keeping the women for pleasure at first, then for breeding more children. Primitive societies usually had an under-population problem, not an over-population problem, so they expanded their numbers however they could.

This meant they couldn't afford the luxury of racism. As I recall, God had to specifically warn the Israelites that they were to kill ALL the Amelekites, not just the men, but ALL, men, women, children, and even the animals. Perhaps He was worried about ethnic purity, but that doesn't explain the farm animals.

 

The Left's steady procession -- it's long march through the institutions, if you know the reference -- is not like an infection that can be healed.

It's social gangrene. (I don't mean this personally. I'm willing to stipulate that these people have, in their own eyes, the best of motivations. I saw
a video of a woman screaming while she stamped on an American flag, cheered on by a mob of scruffy human garbage around her. She was raving
about the flag being a symbol of 'transphobia', among other things. I suppose she sincerely believed that, although there are large areas of the world where,
if I were a transsexual or any other kind of sexual minority, or even just an ordinary normal (can we still say that?) woman, it would be the American flag I would
want to be under, guarded by a Marine rifle company.)

Now if this were an isolated incident, we could just laugh. But this is the future, perhaps not so dramatic, but that flag is vanishing.

America's institutions will be destroyed by these people. They are becoming the majority, or, more precisely, the people who will be dicating how the majority have to behave.

If we want to save those institutions, we must cut loose and re-constitute the real America.
If that ever happens, I would be very happy, overjoyed, to welcome anyone, including genuine liberals -- hell, including sane Marxists -- into a
reconstituted America.

I don't think you and I would really disagree about so much politically ... as I said, I'm probably more of an FDR/JFK guy than a Reagan guy -- it's just I think I see things coming that you don't see yet.

Give it time.

 

My plan, which was very good, was replaced by a much worse plan shortly after Obamacare was snuck through. Now every single person not in bed with Obama predicted this to happen, and they were exactly right.

 

Yep, liberals are all for peace, understanding, unification, etc. With the small exception being that you better think exactly the way they do, or you'll be attacked, protested, publicly and privately harassed, etc.

So what you really want to say, but you don't have the guts to is, 'everything would be great if everyone would agree with us on everything'.

Give me an example of how the right has moved to having extreme views? Seems to me that everything's been moving to the left for 40 straight years.

And seriously, when was the last time the Left 'compromised' on anything?

 

So again...what specific coverage did you lose?

 

One of my specialists was now out of network. My co pays all doubled, and my yearly deductible went from 0 to $1250. So yeah, I'd say that affected me and my family a tad

 

I'm still waiting for that $2300 a year savings Obama promised. I"m sure it's coming any day now.....

 

Then leave already. You won't be missed. After all, when a host is rid of a parasite, the host gets healthier.

Seriously, you'd be happier, we'd be happier. It's a win for everyone. Just go. What's stopping you?

I mean, other than your vicelike grip on the gubmint teat.

 

This is wholly inaccurate and shows a tremendous lack of basic US History knowledge.

 

The right, obviously.

That's not debatable. Do you see anyone on the left here screaming for civil war? No. It's only the right here demanding a bloody civil war, and clearly getting a thrill just talking about it.

Plus, there's that thing about the right now smooches the keisters of the white supremacist slaver types. When you kiss slaver butt, that makes you the modern counterpart of the slavocracy.

Remember, a solid majority of the nation supports the policy positions of the "hard left" you complain about. We're the mainstream, while you're the lunatic fringe, part of an immoral minority which is tyrannizing the moral majority. The left thinks of winning at the ballot box, while the right knows they can't do that, so they think about terrorism.

 

When people like me leave, people like you will starve. You should be a little nicer