DAMNED if we do. DAMNED if we Don't.

Of course, there is always a choice. Just sometimes you have to be out of your mind to consider it. With all the dems mentally in outer space now, the "choices" are certainly limited.
Trump's already got it anyway; the dems have nothing to sell and nobody to peddle it. Except of course hate and whine; plenty of that available.

 

Omg.

People need to start realizing that change only happens when you make change.

Also, that like any ideology, there are wings everywhere. Johnson was hardly an Authoritarian.

Unless Anarchy is your bag.

In which case. LOL

 

He said at the debate that he would would force a Jewish baker to bake a Nazi cake. Explain to me how that's a libertarian position.

 

He can't (wouldn't have been able to) do **** about it.

Every politician says their mind. 1a and all.

There's a Left wing within Libertarianism, just as there are Right and center.
I'm Fiscally Conservative myself.

Trump says PLENTY of dumb ****

 

I at least gave it a try with Perot and then the Reform Party. We were able to elect a governor of Minnesota and around 300 different state legislatures. Then the Reform Party was hijacked and basically went into oblivion. Just a footnote in history.

 

Well, that certainly doesn't convince me that his position was not authoritarian. In fact, it looks like a tacit admission that it is. He also language polices people for using the term "illegal alien". 1a and all. Literally everyone else on the stage was more libertarian than Johnson. As far as I'm concerned, he's a plant.

 

Good...vote against your own self interest ..or are you a multimillionaire?

 

Seems like playing the fear card works best for luring GOP voters: Fear of 401k going down, fear of foreigners, fear of communists .....

The question is, though: What is Trump going to do to prevent your 401k from going down? The tax cut ammunition has already been spent. The interest lowering ammunition is currently being spent. What else is left? Maybe chicken out on all the tariffs? Good luck with that.

 

While the Dems use fear of climate change, fear of "concentration camps", fear of Russia, fear of "muh Nazis", and most of all, fear of Trump.

 

A gun owner.
Edit: I'm not a weakling, I don't need someone else to watch out for me so you can keep your self interest crap.

 

It's an equally ****ed 2 Way street man.

To see it any other way, is to do so willingly ignorant.

 

His position very well may have been. But he couldn't as POTUS do **** about it.

And again, there are literally at least 3 "Wings" of libertarianism.
Liberal, which are close to Classic Liberalism.
Centrist, (Or Fiscally conservative) which identify more with Conservative Democrats, and Moderate GOP members.

And, Federal Anarchists, which want very little Federal Governance, but strong state, or provincial government.

 

If I'm honest, a Libertarian Federal government would never work, because it would need to be a loose Confederation.

That being said, Libertarian senior leadership, CAN, and likely would, see more actual business getting done, through Libertarianism's ability (Centrist Primarily) to bridge Party Lines.

If skilled as a negotiator.

 

Well, I'm not voting for any of the current Democrats. That is a certainty and a promise

 

Unfortunately, im in the same predicament

 

What I learned during my time with Perot and the Reform Party is that for a viable third party to rise, it must start at the grass roots level. From bottom up, not top down. This means concentrating first at getting people elected to school boards, country commission, city councils, Mayors etc. Then small steps upwards. First state legislatures. These types of races don't cost an arm and a leg. It's a lot easier to get folks on the ballot and door to door campaigning and flyers work.

Then on up to the House of Representatives, the Senate and statewide offices. Governors, Secretary of State etc. Finally, the presidency. This would take at least 20 years, but I think would produce a viable third party. The Reform Party was too top down heavy. We relied on Perot and when he stepped down, away, we folded.

If the Libertarian Party wants to become a viable third party, it needs to regroup and reorganize. It needs to forget about the presidency and the U.S. Senate. It needs to scale back to the possible, winning local elections first. Then slowing build from there. That's my advice. Once you start getting folks elected locally, then others will take notice and expansion then becomes feasible. This running someone for the presidency and only getting 1% of the vote if that accomplishes nothing.

My two cents anyway.

 

I'm fully aware that libertarianism spans left to right, although I would dispute the categories as you laid them out. For instance, classical liberalism is on the right side of the spectrum, as it's the basis of the constitution and the foundation of America, which is what a US conservative is trying to conserve.

But I guess I would have to wonder what point there is in voting LP if the candidate has anti-libertarian positions, regardless of how successful he might be at enforcing them.

 

Think we're gonna have to let that there.


Getting lifted.

BBL.

 

Exactly.

Strong involvement from municipal level, to State House.

 

Gonna end up grabbing a bunch of D's down ballot tho!

I gotta get my medicine legal.

 

I should add.

No Libertarian, regardless the Strain, should ever be proposing a complete attempt at a Libertarian National Government.

Would never work, if the want to NOT ultimately fall into the bonds of Globalistic Slavery by Warlords of some type, still exists.

 

How sad that guns are your main. Issue

 

How is it any different from weed being a persons main issue? I've got two hobbies, cars and guns; both of which are under attack by mostly the same people. Guns however seem to be the most pressing at the moment.

 

Will be voting straight republican for two reasons.... another supreme court seat is likely to be open, and to stop the left-wing nanny-state agenda.

Well, there is a third reason. Left-wing and mainstream media tears are delicious.

 

I suspect if somebody wrote you a check for 10 million dollars in exchange for a Trump vote, you would be tempted. In addition, there is a chance that you could screw up your ballot and thus vote for Trump accidentally. Lastly if you spend some time reading my cogent defenses of his policies, there is a chance of my incisive insight swaying you and causing you to vote for Trump. So the probability of you voting for Trump is 0.0001%, not absolute 0%.

Perhaps you and I should have a beer together and discuss how we could get you to change your mind. Trumps need your vote and and I am here to help you give him that vote.