They're starting them young

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This boy is 4 years old. My thoughts on this: "being a girl" isn't going to make much of difference at that age, but it's going to start creating issues as that child becomes older.

    I would hope that child doesn't feel they have to undergo body modification surgery. That's a very severe thing, and I don't believe the physical body should have to be altered based on how one "feels inside".
    Maybe this child can find some comfortable compromise in fashion between male and female clothing, something that's more gender neutral but still flamboyant in the same way that stereotypical "female" clothes tend to be.

    I think it would be a mistake for this child and his mother to fall into the set idea that he is automatically trans, just because he does not conform to typical gender stereotypes. It could result in a lot of confusion later in life, and heading down the trans path could be a major mistake.

    Right now this little 4-year-old child is just emulating the females that he's seeing, either on TV, or his mommy.

    Don't forget the mother enabling him.

    Sure, she feels guilty and uneasy about what she's doing, but 4-year-olds don't put bows in their hair themselves.

    If that child wanted to have long hair, fine. If that child wanted to wear a girl's dress, fine. But that mother is putting her child's hair in pigtails and bows, and you'll notice the boy apparently got ear piercings as well.
    There are many parents that won't even let their girls get ear piercings at that age.

    I think this mother secretly likes the idea of dressing up her little child like a girl, just because the child asks for it. It's like a self-reinforcing feedback loop. The child is just looking for attention from mommy, mommy is that 4-year-old's role model.


    It looks like they've already decided she's trans.



    Now at 7 years old.


    They'll probably just start that child off on some artificial hormones starting at age 11, and then after that developing child has been pumped full of female hormones at a confusing time in its life, perform a surgery at age 15 or 16.

    BIG potential for an irreversible mistake to be made, something that child may not realize until later.

    30 Transgender Regretters Come Out of the Closet


    "I started my transgender journey as a 4-year-old boy when my grandmother repeatedly, over several years, cross-dressed me in a full-length purple dress she made especially for me and told me how pretty I was as a girl. This planted the seed of gender confusion and led to my transitioning at age 42 to transgender female."​

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...e-transitioning-sex-gender-column/1894076002/


    12-Year-Old Boy Who Transitioned Changes His Mind

    His mother explained, "He looked me in the eye and said ' I'm just not sure that I am a girl.' "
    An Australian 12-year-old who began transitioning to become a girl two years ago has changed his mind and now has begun to reverse the process.
    The Independent reports that Patrick Mitchell, a 14-year-old boy who began to transition to female two years ago at just 12-years-old, now regrets the decision and is taking steps to transition back to male.

    We shouldn't automatically make the assumption that the child at that age already "knows" something, when it may not necessarily be true.

    What does this boy "know"? That he likes dressing like a girl, that he wants to emulate "girl" things?

    If the child is confused, and the adults around him are imposing their automatic assumptions on him, that could push the child towards thinking they are "trans". When you're a little child and you have adults telling you something, you tend to believe it, especially in confusing matters of sexuality/gender at that age.

    I strongly suspect that if left to their own devices, many of these little children would eventually lose interest in "being like a girl" or turn out fairly normal boys, perhaps just boys with feminine personality traits.

    Sending a child at that age down the trans path could be destructive.
     
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  2. yguy

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    How the hell could it be anything else?
     
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    it's really sad what is being done to that little boy
     
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    Interesting thread. I think we risk to get a lot of mentally destroyed young "women" in the future.

    Is it me or there is more boy to girl transgender than the opposite ?
     
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    More like they are not stopping them young. And you are bring up several different issues here. This child might not be transgendered, or they might be. At their age, there is no sure way to tell. If you have, as someone mentioned, the grandmother dressing up the boy, sure that can cause confusion. On the other hand, not forcing the child to one conformity or the other is not going to lead to any more or less confusion than they currently possess.

    Despite anti trans propaganda, most doctors don't want to start on any kind of surgery or hormones with the possible exception of hormone blockers while underaged. Not saying there are not any doctor who wouldn't. You can't name a single profession that doesn't have people who are in it more for the money than the good of their clients. But by and large, most doctors want to wait until the person is an adult and has been through therapy and counselling to ensure they are transgendered, and not something else. That said, allowing a person to present as whatever does no true harm, especially if they are working through something.

    Again there are always extremes we can point to. No child, cis or trans, straight or gay, male or female, under 16 should be twerking period. I don't care if it's in front of sex crazed adults or on a cheer squad. But extremes are what they are because they are the outliers. Quite honestly, if we just let kids be themselves, and not worry about what is supposed to be boy or girl, they will turn out to be perfectly fine.
     
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    I think, due to biases, we notice the MtF more than the opposite. No one blinks twice at a woman in anything "men's". But the opposite tends to rile up other males. I rarely, by comparison, hear as much out of women as I do men, per this and similar issues. And when they bring it up, it's always about the gay males and the MtF trans and such. I almost never hear them complaining about the gay females and the FtM trans.
     
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    If they start the kid off on hormone blockers beginning at age 11, he'll be left with a micropenis for the rest of his life.
     
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    Child abuse.

    Biology trumps psychology.
    Penis = boy
    Vagina= girl

    Parents should raise their kids thus until they are adults.
     
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    "I'm Transgender & So Is My 5 Year Old"
     
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    Evil.
     
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    It’s sad that children have all of these false narratives thrust upon them. Whether it is religion, orientation, gender identity, or any other item — it is absolutely evil.
     
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    No what's evil is people interfering with parents.
    If you have a male child it is good and right to raise him as a boy. It is corrupt and evil to raise him as a girl.

    Biology trumps psychology .
    If you have a penis but your brain says you're a girl, your brain is wrong and is ignoring all of the scientific data.
     
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    So you agree with parents indoctrinating their children, I’m confused. Your narrative is not consistent.

    Yes, just as it is corrupt and evil to try to force that child to believe fantasy or that they are or are not heterosexual.

    I don’t think you have dove into the actual study behind this for you to be making the above claim. There are numerous biological quirks than can cause various deficiencies between what is on the outside vs what is on the inside.
     
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    No i think parents should raise their kids how they see fit and it's none of anyone elses business.

    It's good and natural for parents to teach their kids right from wrong homosexuality is wrong, as are lots of other things that the child can decide for himself or herself when they are adults. Just like we have been doing for centuries. Either way its none of anyones business but the parents.

    If there is a disconnect between the brain and the body, fix the brain because you can't fix the body.
     
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    So you support the parents that you just called evil? What?

    Oh so only your version of indoctrination is right. That makes sense and is completely logical...

    Homosexuality being wrong is your opinion, and while you are certainly entitled to it that doesn’t make it correct.

    Cult indoctrination is wrong in my opinion.

    I don’t even know how to discuss such an erroneous statement so I won’t bother. Facts are obviously not high on your list of priorities. The brain is one of the most complex part of human physiology, and is much more difficult to “fix” than you lead on.
     
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    And reality is low on your priorities.

    Because there is such a great discrepancy on views the best solution for social and political harmony is the age old addage live and let live.
     
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    So you do or do not support these parents?
    You are not clear.
     
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    Let kids be kids.
     
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    Actually it's quite the opposite. Right now we have the ability to alter the body, outwardly at least, to conform to the mind, thus treating the dysphoria. And such treatment doesn't always extend to surgery. In many cases, simply presenting as the gender (versus sex) is enough to treat GD. There does not, however, currently exist a method to alter the mind to conform to the body, without causing more damage to the kind that it fixes.

    There are transgenders out there who would prefer to be able to alter the mind and not the body, but until the method can be safely developed, we have what we have.
     
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    Damn, why could we have remembered this during the time slavery was legal, or women weren't allowed to vote. He'll we should have heeded this back before the Revolution occured!
     
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    The method of altering the mind is called dealing with reality.
    This issue is a lot simpler than you think thats why you need convoluted psychology to explain it.

    Changing the outward appearance doesn't change the biological nature of the person.
    You can cut off or insert whatever you want a boy is still a boy and a girl is still a girl.
    Deal with it.
     
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    This is from a series of short animated videos which are compiled from actual real-life stories, and I have no doubt that this is a true actual story.


    I Realised I Wasn’t Trans After Transitioning
     
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    I agree, that is too young

    same with the other side - let the children be children

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    WRONG!

    It is completely and utterly WRONG for any parent to teach their child to be a BIGOT!

    What if their child is homosexual and ends up committing suicide because his parents indoctrinated him with bigotry against himself?

    Parents should just teach their children to accept that not everyone is identical and that who a consenting adult chooses as another consenting adult to love has nothing whatsoever to do with who they are as a person.
     
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    Wrong.
     

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