Gun control - Why punish the law abiding rather than the criminals?

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  1. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't jaywalk because I am apt to get ran over.
    Show me where they say everyone should own a gun. Show me where they say everyone should own the same kind of gun. They talk about guns and what is good and bad about various kinds of guns. Just the kind of information I want to know when purchasing a gun.
     
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    And so your fear is punishment for me.

    I don't need the government telling me when and where I can walk.

    They don't say who doesn't need a gun? Or when it's safe or not safe to carry a gun? Or what sort of gun is best for self-defense?

    That seems like crucial stuff for the group that lobbies inconstantly for how necessary any and all guns are for the individual.

    So who doesn't need a gun, in your opinion? And when is it unnecessary to carry one, in your opinion? And what sort is best for self-defense, in your opinion?
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It appears that you are just doing a lot of stabbing in the dark with no real direction. I don't tell other people what they should do in reference to guns and neither does the NRA.
     
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    I know people that carry pictures of their children and grandchildren. And pocket knives. And small flashlights. I’ve even met people that carry killer phones with them at all times. If I’m not neked I’m carrying slip joint pliers. It’s none of my business to care what other people carry. I don’t see an immediate need for a 1/4 ounce of weed, but some people haul that around. I don’t care.
    I recommend everyone deciding for themselves what it is they want to carry around. Carrying a firearm is mostly a pain in the *ss. When someone tries forcing you to carry a gun you can come crying to me and we can take action together. Until then I recommend suppressing the authoritarianism inherent to gun banners and venting the resulting pent up anger onto criminals instead of law abiding citizens.
     
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    Because in the liberal world ... up is down, down is up, right is wrong, wrong is right, good is bad, and bad is good.
     
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    There is no "right" of society to actually be safe. Nor is there any explanation as to how the legal ownership and use of firearms would serve to threatened this supposed right if it did indeed exist. Those who legally own and responsibly use firearms, regardless of their type or configuration, do not pose a harm to anyone.
     
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    First, the same sixty seven percent that have consistently failed at having a federal prohibition on such firearms reinstated for the last fifteen years?

    Second, the state of "have figured out what an assault weapon is" suggests a great deal of time and effort has been invested into determining just how to define such a firearm, and have indeed done such in an unambiguous manner. As such, the above statement is in direct contradiction of your previous statement about so-called "assault weapons" ultimately being whatever the majority decides that they are and what the public cannot have.

    The two statements on the part of yourself are contradictory statements. Either the majority does have an exact and unambiguous definition that cannot be reinterpreted at will, or the majority is deliberately using an ambiguous definition that can easily be exploited to include firearms that do not meet the definition.

    Only one of the two statements is correct. Which one is it?
     
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    Following such logic, why are homosexuals not legally punished for the part they have played in the HIV and/or AIDS epidemic that has besieged the united states, when their community has demonstrated the highest concentration of infection?
     
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    Does crime and random victimization have an exact schedule so that one may know ahead when exactly they will be targeted with disaster?
     
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    Such a decision and course of action is far less likely to result in a firearm being lost or otherwise left unattended, than if it were subject to being repeatedly picked up and laid down depending upon where one does or does not go.
     
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    Is jaywalking a constitutional right?

    Should one be required to explain the merits of hate speech being protected by the first amendment in order for it to remain a constitutional form of free expression, even though hearing such may result in some individuals otherwise becoming violent, or experiencing depression and committing suicide, even if such speech was not specifically directed against them?
     
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    Fear of government should obviously be the #1 fear for all rational human beings.

    "… from 1900 to 1987 governments MURDERED almost *170* MILLION people ... far exceeds the 34.4 million battle deaths ... from all...wars fought during the same period.... democratic governments were responsible for only about one percent of the twentieth century's death toll from democide...." The Atlantic Monthly, "The World In Numbers," "Murder By The State," Vol. 292 NO. #4, 11/20. (emphasis mine)
    The Atlantic's source: "Rummels books on the subject - particularly "Death By Government" (1994) and "Statistics of Democide" (1997).
     
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    That's why 90% of voters support stronger gun laws. :rolleyes:

    Face it: You are a member of the fringe. And the only reason for it is the gun lobby has been making a fortune duping people like you with nonsense arguments.,

    This isn't complicated: They are making a fortune selling death.
     
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    That's a straw man. The more guns there are, and the weaker the gun laws, the more mass shooting occur.

    Is that too complicated?
     
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    That’s nonsense. Mass shootings don’t happen because guns are accessible. They happen because somewhere along the way people started mass killing in response to their lot in life.
     
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    Some just do not want others to have any guns. You'll have to ask them why. If the political goal is a tight knit strong central government -- which it is for Democrats and progressives -- that goes smoother if the populace has no firearms.
     
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    What makes you think it's not simply about wanting people to be safe from gun violence?
     
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    You fear the United States government? You sitting in your house clutching your gun?

    Regarding Rummel, I looked him up...and found this:

    Rudolph Rummel
    "I use the civil definition of murder, where someone can be guilty of murder if they are responsible in a reckless and wanton way for the loss of life, as in incarcerating people in camps where they may soon die of malnutrition, unattended disease, and forced labor, or deporting them into wastelands where they may die rapidly from exposure and disease."

    I suppose there is at this time, a good reason for some to fear the Trump-led U.S. government.
     
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    So there are some freedoms you are not for.

    Regardless, laws punish the law abiding all the time.

    So that's all the NRA does is say "hey, guns are a right, so everyone should have one, or don't, we don't care. They may help you, they may not, who knows, we have nothing more to say on it other than it's a right".

    Have you looked at their site?
     
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    What a strange way to answer.

    Why not just say, yeah, I carry a gun 24/7 because without a gun, I have no way to defend myself.
     
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    No, there is no schedule.

    That's what I was saying. All people, all children, need to carry a gun 24/7, and be at the ready to use it, otherwise, what's the point? It's like wearing a seat belt only some of the time.

    Seems miserable to me, like a punishment...that was my point. But that's life, I guess.
     
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    Huh?

    That's following logic?
     
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    All I asked was whether you carry a gun 24/7 and if that's what you recommend to everyone.

    You could answer yes or no.
     
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    I think you're wrong about the NRA. I think they have a lot of "info" and recommendations.

    Do you think this guy is "rational"?

    Home Defense: Pistols vs. Shotguns vs. Rifles
    https://www.nrafamily.org/articles/2018/2/22/home-defense-pistols-vs-shotguns-vs-rifles/
     
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